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Subject: Re: PGDG PostgreSQL Debian package: Question on conditions for
 creation of new cluster
From: Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
To: Schmid Andreas <Andreas.Schmid@bd.so.ch>, 
 "pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org"
	 <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 10:50:27 +0100
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On Wed, 2025-02-19 at 08:45 +0000, Schmid Andreas wrote:
> I'm trying to install the postgresql-17 Debian package from PGDG apt repo
> alongside an already existing PostgreSQL 16 installation. So there is
> already a PostgreSQL 16 cluster on my machine (which I want to upgrade
> to version 17 using the pg_upgrade command later on).
> 
> If I'm not wrong, the PostgreSQL packages used to automatically create a
> new cluster during installation, even if there already was an older
> cluster present. (Using a different port in this case.) But this doesn't
> happen with the 17.3 package. Does anyone know if this behavior has
> changed? Or anyone can explain on which conditions a new cluster is
> created and when not?
> 
> There was a now closed discussion on this topic on Stack Overflow:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/79441161/postgres-17-3-installation-no-longer-creates-a-new-cluster
> Of course, I will create the additional cluster using pg_createcluster
> if this is the way to go. The point is that I'm installing PostgreSQL
> using an Ansible script, and pg_createcluster was not needed until now.
> So before I update my script, I hope to get some more information about
> the behavior of the PostgreSQL packages regarding automatic cluster creation.

I just tried on an Ubuntu system (I think that the packages are pretty
much the same), and installing 17.3 created a cluster.
I think the Stackoverflow question was about installing 17.3 if v17
is already installed.  In that case, no new cluster is created.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

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