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Mon, 3 Nov 2025 13:46:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <926cd356-1406-41e0-980c-befc9f7c092d@aklaver.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:46:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Enquiry about TDE with PgSQL To: Bruce Momjian Cc: rainer@ultra-secure.de, Ken Marshall , pgsql-general@postgresql.org References: <3985797c-639f-4825-9fa9-98a48b37f380@aklaver.com> <86C8ECFE-942C-4364-A5BF-3404D50CD661@ultra-secure.de> <3a9ca8cf6bfa3916619ee8e2c8ff3e30@ultra-secure.de> <82db112b-5661-4a18-b828-4481760da754@aklaver.com> <6d25908f-5a63-4e78-9589-217d49e308ac@aklaver.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Adrian Klaver In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 11/3/25 10:14, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 10:07:50AM -0800, Adrian Klaver wrote: >> >> To be specific it is a customer service issue. >> >> So why is this page: >> >> https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/ >> >> "Commercial support is available from many different companies providing >> professional services to the PostgreSQL community." >> >> not a solution done by the community? > > I am not sure why you are not understanding. To get Postgres to > interoperate with company product X, you need communication between the > Postgres community and the company producing product X. The community > rarely interacts directly with companies, though it does interact with > employees of Postgres-focused companies. The smaller the company and > the less the company relies on Postgres, the less likely the company > will interact with the community on the community's terms. > I do understand it comes down to two possibilities: 1) Community is what you download here: https://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/ and anything above that is third party involvement and nothing to do with the community. Or 2) As the postgresql.org mentions in many places that I have previously cited community includes layers above the source, extending to commercial support. If 1) is correct then yes there is a community communication issue. If 2) is correct there is not, as you can go here: https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/ and find support. -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com