Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1vCTsY-00EbpU-Po for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 02:19:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1vCTsX-001ybe-6T for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 02:19:36 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1vCTsW-001ybV-Rz for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 02:19:35 +0000 Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vCTsT-0045Uz-2L for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 02:19:35 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-592fb80c2faso2203861e87.2 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 19:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1761358772; x=1761963572; darn=lists.postgresql.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AopghnHOvas/4rCTTee3Npir2AKRzqNOYmVuzvfCDqI=; b=lxDFTUYBDq3Q8pS0VZ81C97yVgPpqEia+5YY6PgMjp2fYA6aCObsFHVOgWaQiUdjvH nfnDtx7orVMUSJ7PkbAIdd9/zZt4SSHBJ5cGXM1nvWGMOzz5cq7ux0m5oddHRWLJ6wD0 M0eP7DsU8nKrJ+KxKu8sjlztjCYLJ5kpsFtp/QUrfyaO4g0tyzsJPwd4EmxLZf0mG5vR gTbu30Hn7AMd6wQi4aB2ZCV4hrRQPqd6AVrEFFSslwzfdJch0Dv/jGaXghFSMsX97Ich HhZNELlGxSQA0aDI4ACNbYy4LhYwS6Di0oOoOUfLBpjFDmrq60M1BPiIsaa3AsyfX6mI RUZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1761358772; x=1761963572; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=AopghnHOvas/4rCTTee3Npir2AKRzqNOYmVuzvfCDqI=; b=RtaGwLSuibIX1IdbfgXrim927VAklM1gKP+uye0HZn99ujzXHnRIS7ruJurzELJz+N KjfrQxgTmt8dRqQlm117f9nAkUmt9WQun5bGQ+jdxWhgklgmG5LNu/rew9gRb/m5p5UE Z6anrdf8POaz2G9r5zTY3tNm6PTyE1I2MOpzc0/esCgqaR+FxcVJlIGPKQ1UqIAvQJAJ VNVA6QPNSJ8LXy6Wa4wgaH/JqXZxDKKC6MYBfuDicYPRzgtpVGsHzwvqmMKZXtmkedLU VPWBRO9LsBlYK/cGBNdI++g4GWvNqItAHAVPC42YibAugaSVmcIDaYs4Y/6NY+opKVFO tVzw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVpf+IHrJyZAHQNDQZnA9LiBBfgvIRByn7QVpwypCOxJ0hw7VFU6SVKhhWBoVhV0B9LxAYHvrT1UUx2/3gB@lists.postgresql.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywr9R9OJSChu7pWGQUDRg/+Fc3QX2GpKPe2Rz6HrCZ6QH4YfXaQ JzXMEcxa7ehed2GWXar3TwCmJ+5d13Ft0vzDDSoZzNBAhW1/5A0xkw64VF1uJ5j8hNmgoP8fboh iKR4mSd62SPehLBGrsZW+Q686vyAYU00= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncv/tWVAyXpe3ncuhVOTZYxpmAZ6HQAc7IDzDNaDArEEgwlCitbgaQ9HXyYQRjw JeiJ6ZXp1fU8DXDXMpesscVWn2Fh0xqcC5aELNWSeLKSly/Ha9epXIK1yMRDHfg3O6/iHyYoIR9 2XnNhLj1N4hLOKXgqK+Wdh4MErzGV+FPKFGBIo1xMpY76ogN67iGet8IxQZbFDClNASPXtkPoIT QWkaixZrx0i5ZfJocnUx1G1DDT6LTyd7i89pg1s6q4dpULcggtfMNNWlqZk1OBmu/eZde3vI63X nAWrMT6GsAjDUZGWkq50a3wEWivhXIMd8TUoUM5hSjYF/7pkaAy92+sovo0Cfg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHZlllbBXS5zERTZNrJ3Vxfg4P+FDG3x4v3oSox0sF3uTJ89VJ1gGOXVageXdjdnL/SRmOp4rXYt+9RB3I8Tyg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1612:b0:365:d56c:bfb with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-377978f4288mr99424941fa.21.1761358772214; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 19:19:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8d340169-b500-4048-a665-0700813313a3@aklaver.com> <2b09033b-d375-488d-9188-17a0f214e823@aklaver.com> <4babadbd-cc61-43e7-b7fb-3053dcdaadac@aklaver.com> <1847617.1761357202@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: <1847617.1761357202@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: David Rowley Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 15:19:19 +1300 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bntMBUuRKMc241HQ7FEGSV-gWxE9IRrr587KhomHZ1b3kXJYMaIRRMokiM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Index corruption issue after migration from RHEL 7 to RHEL 9 (PostgreSQL 11 streaming replication) To: Tom Lane Cc: Adrian Klaver , Ron Johnson , "pgsql-generallists.postgresql.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 at 14:53, Tom Lane wrote: > > David Rowley writes: > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 at 13:40, Adrian Klaver wrote: > >> 1) From previous posts to this list folks have mentioned their > >> organizations prohibit touching anything less then a GA or maybe a late > >> RC. That comes from on high and I doubt the folks issuing the orders are > >> on this list. > > > That seems bizarre to me. If they want new releases of PostgreSQL to > > be as stable as possible as early as possible, then beta and RC are > > much better times to test than .0 is. > > I think the folks issuing that sort of order believe that testing is > Somebody Else's Problem. The folly of that approach is pretty evident > to those of us toiling in the software trenches, but maybe not so much > from the C-suite. Yeah, I expect that'll be true all too often. However, it doesn't mean that people around here can't attempt to propagate an education to them on why they're wrong. There certainly is much less hope if they only receive confirmation. David