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Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one
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* Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one
@ 2025-02-24 09:46 Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
  2025-02-24 16:39 ` Re: Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
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From: Dominique Devienne @ 2025-02-24 09:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: [email protected]; +Cc: [email protected]

Hi,

We have a few dozen queries involving grandparent, parent, child table
triplets,
to implement a pre-existing API on top of PostgreSQL. That API is not
SQL-based
nor SQL "friendly" either, that's why we detect patterns in the APIs
inputs, to use
different SQL queries, as (important) optimizations, thus the "dozen of
queries" above.

But now we have a new requirement, for "fuzzy find". I.e. the client can
ask for names
which are not the exact in-DB names, but also aliases of those names. That
requires a
different query, which is a bit more complex. Here's an example:

# existing "exact-name" query
select ...
from child c
join parent s on s.id = c.parent
join grantparent w on w.id = s.parent
where w.name = $1
and s.name = $2
and c.name = $3

# new "aliased name" query
select ...
from child c
join parent s on s.id = c.parent
join grantparent w on w.id = s.parent
join unnest($3::text[]) with ordinality as aliases(name, ord) on c.name =
aliases.name
where w.name = $1
and s.name = $2
order by aliases.ord
limit 1

Notice the limit 1, i.e. this is still a scalar query, since name or
(parent, name) are UNIQUE,
and the fact the alias query is ordered, the first match in alias order is
"preferred".

Given the above, it is obvious that if we stick the exact name in front of
its aliases, and use only the 2nd query, this is functionally equivalent
(if it isn't, please let us know!).

And from a maintenance perspective, not doubling our queries sounds like a
good thing.

But then, I do worry about performance. Will the second more complex query
be planned just as well of the 1st one?

We have two types of clients (apps) for that API:
* The first type never relies on fuzzy-find.
* While the second type relies extensively on it.
Thus I don't want to penalize the first type, over the second.

I'd appreciate an expert opinion on planning (Tom? Andrew?),
in the context of unnest+order by ordinal+limit 1 with UNIQUE constraints,
versus the simpler 3-way-join with equality constraints, to base my
decision on.

Thanks, --DD

PS: We are v16+ based.


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* Re: Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one
  2025-02-24 09:46 Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
@ 2025-02-24 16:39 ` Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
  2025-02-24 16:50   ` Re: Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
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From: Greg Sabino Mullane @ 2025-02-24 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:46 AM Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
wrote:

> But now we have a new requirement, for "fuzzy find". I.e. the client can
> ask for names
> which are not the exact in-DB names, but also aliases of those names.
>
...

> join unnest($3::text[]) with ordinality as aliases(name, ord) on c.name =
> aliases.name
>

I'm not seeing how this is supposed to work, if these aliases are not in
the database somewhere. Maybe an example? How does "Alli" get mapped to a
c.name of "Allison"?


Cheers,
Greg

--
Crunchy Data - https://www.crunchydata.com
Enterprise Postgres Software Products & Tech Support


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* Re: Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one
  2025-02-24 09:46 Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
  2025-02-24 16:39 ` Re: Keep specialized query pairs, or use single more general but more complex one Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
@ 2025-02-24 16:50   ` Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
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From: Dominique Devienne @ 2025-02-24 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 5:39 PM Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:46 AM Dominique Devienne <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> But now we have a new requirement, for "fuzzy find". I.e. the client can
>> ask for names
>> which are not the exact in-DB names, but also aliases of those names.
>>
> ...
>
>> join unnest($3::text[]) with ordinality as aliases(name, ord) on c.name
>> = aliases.name
>>
>
> I'm not seeing how this is supposed to work, if these aliases are not in
> the database somewhere.
>
Maybe an example? How does "Alli" get mapped to a c.name of "Allison"?
>

They may be stored in the DB somewhere one day, but aliases are
session-specific (not my design...),
and we're introducing them first managed in the client C++ code, instead of
in TEMP tables later perhaps.

Client requests child named "Allison". There's no such row. Current simple
query return no row.
We lookup whether there's a list of aliases for "Allison". If there are, we
send them in $3 as an array
of string (e.g. ['All', 'Alli', ...], and the first one matching (thanks to
order by ord limit 1) is returned, if any.

This works. We already have unit tests for that. That not the question.
The questions are about plan quality/performance of the complex query
compared to the simpler one.
If planning of unnest+order by ordinal+limit 1 recognized as a special case?
Does the join order matter with unnest?
These kind of things, which are above my pay grade I'm afraid... --DD


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