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From: Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 19:55:45 +0200
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Subject: Re: MVCC and all that...
To: Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
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Hi


> Final thoughts on this: firebird (fmrly interbase) did not achieve the
> level of success in the market that postgres, even though they may have
> been similarly positioned.  My take: that disparity in success has more to
> do with postgres having a more open development model, stronger community,
> and (especially) timing; postgres was pretty well established in the open
> source world when Borland open sourced it around the year 2000.  Firebird
> had (and has) some neat stuff, in particular a nice embedding option and
> strong windows support, but the market was already pretty crowded at that
> time.
>

Still around 2005 Firebird was more popular than Postgres (in the Czech
Republic). I think after this time, the Firebird had not some wave of
popularity (and Postgres did - RoR, PostGIS, ora2pg, json, ...), and it was
too joined with windows desktop and Delphi. I have not any idea about
current situation, and current performance of Firebird, but 15 years ago
(Firebird 2.x), Postgres was better for web applications running on Linux
server with more than thousands users. I did some benchmarks at 2005, and
Firebird was really fast on Windows, and slower on Linux (slower than
Postgres).


> merlin
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div>Hi</=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><div>Final thoughts on t=
his: firebird (fmrly interbase) did not achieve the level of success in the=
 market that postgres, even though they may have been similarly positioned.=
=C2=A0 My take: that disparity in success has more to do with postgres havi=
ng a more open development model, stronger community, and (especially) timi=
ng; postgres was pretty well established in the open source world when Borl=
and open sourced it around the year 2000.=C2=A0 Firebird had (and has) some=
 neat stuff, in particular=C2=A0a nice embedding option and strong windows =
support, but the market was already pretty crowded at that time.</div></div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Still around 2005 Firebird was more=
 popular than Postgres (in the Czech Republic). I think after this time, th=
e Firebird had not some wave=C2=A0of popularity (and Postgres did - RoR, Po=
stGIS, ora2pg, json, ...), and it was too joined with windows desktop and D=
elphi. I have not any idea about current situation, and current performance=
 of Firebird, but 15 years ago (Firebird 2.x), Postgres was better for web =
applications running on Linux server with more than thousands users. I did =
some benchmarks at 2005, and Firebird was really fast on Windows, and slowe=
r on Linux (slower than Postgres).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>merlin</div=
><div><br></div></div></div>
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