Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1shFtJ-00FL8X-Lp for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1shFtH-005y85-Cr for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:02:47 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1shFtG-005y7w-UD for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:02:47 +0000 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1shFtE-000xnz-7V for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:02:46 +0000 Received: by mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e13d5cbc067so1331553276.2 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:02:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=setspace-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1724364163; x=1724968963; darn=lists.postgresql.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=uIhnGtvEWIXMokNqRYlwspBqU0ldrFqSm6CXw5RgiQc=; b=uZAoAhU8oU33QIEtMya5V2v6p2LSW8JOSHhoCelD5/cZgm/KS4ai8/LK8P05SBm32i eChtJF5rEByZ/n+zrTa+enPHTkK6Tsslfrj+ySiLVQ9i3qaUCLwk/isS1atN9rX80JA7 OSNbs73yqHXb6QIrCf212Jp8gI5nqOenoMAzziNg5amX9vZ69bu6iOHmPg8jAyKmEH+t HZVUUhLuVtzqpNk+5on94GI95rns/6In3P1qrzP3yncz3un0mGgiEq9WsfEFMpl/v+Bn Nf62VIyzOKWfduUxmg7itApstM7GjBfSx4fhSNNVlDNMyMpeO+Rgg9mdBA0xDUfdIUpO LgSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1724364163; x=1724968963; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uIhnGtvEWIXMokNqRYlwspBqU0ldrFqSm6CXw5RgiQc=; b=dOjOcbaAbYayAdpQmit8EMjNnp0qSgRyef2vhRa8UnTzGJRWw/9ZJqZSu7Tg8QG/bL AuYIHYeaYY1d9RTpnca5xkNaFj/O5W48/HDt0AvOsr44XdyQQ6B9n1MOh2mKx9LIg7L2 QS3bClPsDK+cb4x0VHrnhK3/S7fzS/HrW8fb9r1q7kwXEoh7YXoF+9My0Z8InCA2Ig4n PPdrj9uPA2BxMEOFcq2NogQejivEmW3pfN7Jivr7IQVZDR5k44jY6tjpYRV+T76WAvf6 yDTvz3KzukIEc4Fp8czST9I71QAWlSfrEfc58H1Ow7BFYFFH9AHecRNpzcKXTOnAedr8 UkSQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWWMJMWmXMHg8dejFCCFdC/Skk2UcoZYCAoT/ewoDPxvr5mIvFrJjbY1WIiq4q62teDbNCUyzNT0bHJ4G4d@lists.postgresql.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyNRxuh8fiZjavc8bQ1mzOkPBOjA8VwPeZ7NY1l6QHK/78ubCEW rr40CnJqRennS+7PD/RvBu0/z71zfoiHVF+jVumV/yALl1RJ5vR/uQn7YtIsNmMsIbfc/aMXbM3 jarDyvuy+9Ru025x5TR8mAQxDVt02Qnu/IDI32w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEL+NDbk9o4++F8SVV8dbQ2m33mW1JxXMyAZBjgnbn5lCHxghUXo0wrCyQva+G3kULdETpj/fZd9qC6LBzCf38= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:600a:b0:6b1:8834:1588 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6c62934589amr2593917b3.35.1724364163503; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:02:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <54c731a5825ba6da520ada38597c03605aba6b09.camel@cybertec.at> <33fd1eed05bb498e7110407e1d738873476844f2.camel@cybertec.at> In-Reply-To: From: John the Scott Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:02:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Planet Postgres and the curse of AI To: Robert Treat Cc: Greg Sabino Mullane , Avinash Vallarapu , Laurenz Albe , David Rowley , pgsql-general Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk > Posts should be technically and factually correct agreed and period. no need qualify how the nonsense was created. -john On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 4:13=E2=80=AFPM Robert Treat wrote= : > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 12:45=E2=80=AFPM Avinash Vallarapu wrote: > >> > >> However, I do agree with Lawrence that it is impossible to prove wheth= er it is written by AI or a human. > >> AI can make mistakes and it might mistakenly point out that a blog is = written by AI (which I know is difficult to implement). > > > > > > Right - I am not interested in "proving" things, but I think a policy t= o discourage overuse of AI is warranted. > > > >> People may also use AI generated Images in their blogs, and they may b= e meaningful for their article. > >> Is it only the content or also the images ? It might get too complica= ted while implementing some rules. > > > > > > Only the content, the images are perfectly fine. Even expected, these d= ays. > > > >> > >> Ultimately, Humans do make mistakes and we shouldn't discourage people= assuming it is AI that made that mistake. > > > > > > Humans make mistakes. AI confidently hallucinates. > > > > I think this is a key point, and one that we could focus on for > purposes of discouragement. Ie. "Blogs that are found to repeatedly > post incorrect information and/or AI style hallucinations may be > restricted from contributing to the planet postgres feed. This will be > determined on a case by case basis." While it is likely impossible to > come up with a set of rules that will satisfy some of the more > legalistic folks among us, this would be a simple warning that would > at least encourage folks to make sure they aren't posting bad > information and leave a door open for enforcement if needed. And yes, > this assumes that the folks running planet will enforce if needed, > though I don't think it requires heavy policing at this point. > > Robert Treat > https://xzilla.net > > --=20 Fast is fine, But accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. - Wyatt Earp