Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWIeO-00EMVh-A8 for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:46:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWIeM-00EpYD-71 for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:46:06 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWIeL-00EpY4-Qw for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:46:06 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-x734.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::734]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWIeG-0015SM-VO for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:46:05 +0000 Received: by mail-qk1-x734.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-79f0e7faafcso361341385a.3 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 09:46:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1721753159; x=1722357959; darn=lists.postgresql.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=S//BRocgXttWyNmBeYMxfoEKOoD9mEqxNkuz4RpwynE=; b=IsIf7DFtyJu3+BE7lNr8lI5EUI/FxK/DtJHKk7ogB0iEW44zerFHP5htcdXjFq8O81 D0rZIyP4CnmvFJd0VP8H6LGT04rLgBbV2pagzu+uEojmXOvU4wTFK5rSXNMZC6uaHOKu +2jS/LuDGzjjUbagg0SjB7C227mgfy5yy/SbVoO8FEN23H/AaCJ97H+oXZwppbi6YkiS ljtWLaCMQW1KGOjNbyPUg460JdczqCfEJ5jLvrCL5nFZPLrjI70o/g+/nbwXTgLZqSdf y9Qbtu29iSHz2Gd9W3btdOgYTreJKgpqbgVEHalJKYXVDPlHJDCuv94sf11U41ZCNfrj NyAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1721753159; x=1722357959; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=S//BRocgXttWyNmBeYMxfoEKOoD9mEqxNkuz4RpwynE=; b=HDvqgenp88UsF3ZmIfaCXNZkdkpdbWhIJu0TOdEsvJh35xQziU+xBYBj3tTtsTAmMK MGtDSVwm8TYMJyLfYe63pGRMUj96HYkazjMCS9cF/LpAN0csoqfgfNyifqdySMowgj9H 8U21xA93pYYJ52B9lmkFLWM8M2KmuH+HjheodDobrG7WBv6O3v2fuuXUQ9uzdLis3RoC f8nFRcU5pHJ6MtjYo8TsXs/74/illw6D4OEwVMPR1+/c4Lwxi1oj3RsoniASGCNpKsT1 XwzQxYva7ySiUgItUe9yxmibXL6gTcYvL7cHRSvBar8zeoUyLpNHQwCpzfF9V3ow8noo 2pPA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUhL2BSIY+HhNu11NTsHiURAR8wMNDJ1c1z+t2WEOTNI4cAt6oboRGdSxnEEp5ND8IIutdSYWkvZqp2eeoCCeUxHMWPP+GKPQYR3KvFvJD26YQ0 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz85r6rAFYHfcsyD5jk2ollzmOh8ZTN0J8rmHCPkh+y1rTuyVrt d6OS3nPw3H3h9StzN+ltzHe+qSkIp6xt1Qx2Hfek6uM795Dm3wxRfCQF4f4fOr6OmpZW0anDnsO xLsQ/LcAlT/zdi9wx8s3gJqY95tQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFwR61is5jJ3T6rEnIdYdyLAS2WoaHjvxqO46yD7xCANA/fSjonCVHYohh4kLG5vvsfvZPsyImgbcPeRY/WmGQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:5015:b0:6b4:f888:ebb5 with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-6b98ed240f6mr2048086d6.9.1721753158725; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <54c731a5825ba6da520ada38597c03605aba6b09.camel@cybertec.at> <33fd1eed05bb498e7110407e1d738873476844f2.camel@cybertec.at> In-Reply-To: <33fd1eed05bb498e7110407e1d738873476844f2.camel@cybertec.at> From: Avinash Vallarapu Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 12:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Planet Postgres and the curse of AI To: Laurenz Albe Cc: Greg Sabino Mullane , David Rowley , pgsql-general Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006ab696061dece505" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --0000000000006ab696061dece505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, As someone who has taken days to publish each blog upon so many reviews, corrections and edits while attempting to make it as best/informative and as perfect as possible, it might seem slightly frustrating when we see some AI generated content, especially when it is misleading readers. However, I do agree with Lawrence that it is impossible to prove whether it is written by AI or a human. AI can make mistakes and it might mistakenly point out that a blog is written by AI (which I know is difficult to implement). I see Moderators spending some time reviewing content and accepting or warning if it is not related to Postgres. AI may be adopted to help us score whether an article is related to Postgres and decline the submission/blog feed. But, it is very impossible to use AI or some strategy to identify whether it is written by AI or human. People may also use AI generated Images in their blogs, and they may be meaningful for their article. Is it only the content or also the images ? It might get too complicated while implementing some rules. Ultimately, Humans do make mistakes and we shouldn't discourage people assuming it is AI that made that mistake. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:51=E2=80=AFAM Laurenz Albe wrote: > On Tue, 2024-07-23 at 10:38 -0400, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > > > Why not say that authors who repeatedly post grossly counterfactual o= r > > > misleading content can be banned? > > > > Perhaps as you hint at, we need a policy to not just discourage > AI-generated > > things, but also wrong/misleading things in general > > I have been known to make mistakes in my blogs... > We shouldn't discourage people who happen to blog something wrong. > That's why I used strong verbiage like "grossly counterfactual". > > Yours, > Laurenz Albe > > > --=20 Regards, Avinash Vallarapu --0000000000006ab696061dece505 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

As someone w= ho has taken days to publish each blog upon so many reviews, corrections an= d edits while
attempting to make it as best/informative and as perfect = as possible, it might seem slightly frustrating when
we see some AI gen= erated content, especially when it is misleading readers.

However, I do agree with Lawrence that it is impossible to prove whether = it is written by AI or a human.
AI can make mistakes and it might= mistakenly point out that a blog is written by AI (which I know is difficu= lt to implement).

I see Moderators spending some t= ime reviewing=C2=A0content and accepting or warning if it is not related to= Postgres.
AI may be adopted to help us score whether an article = is related=C2=A0to Postgres and decline the submission/blog feed.
But, it is very impossible to use AI or some strategy to identify whether = it is written by AI or human.

People may also = use AI generated Images in their blogs, and they may be meaningful for thei= r article.
Is it only the content or also the images ?=C2=A0 It m= ight get too complicated while implementing some rules.=C2=A0
Ultimately, Humans do make mistakes and we shouldn't discou= rage people assuming it is AI that made that mistake.=C2=A0

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:51=E2=80=AFAM Lau= renz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybe= rtec.at> wrote:
On Tue, 2024-07-23 at 10:38 -0400, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> > Why not say that authors who repeatedly post grossly counterfactu= al or
> > misleading content can be banned?
>
> Perhaps as you hint at, we need a policy to not just discourage AI-gen= erated
> things, but also wrong/misleading things in general

I have been known to make mistakes in my blogs...
We shouldn't discourage people who happen to blog something wrong.
That's why I used strong verbiage like "grossly counterfactual&quo= t;.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe




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Regards,
Avinash Vallarapu
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