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From: Ron Johnson <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:39:35 -0400
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:21=E2=80=AFAM Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklav=
er.com>
wrote:

> On 10/24/25 21:50, David Rowley wrote:
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 at 17:36, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
> wrote:
> >> I am not following, from your previous post:
> >>
> >> "Beta versions are meant for test instances. It'd be
> >> good if people encouraged their use more often rather than pushing
> >> people to defer til GA"
> >>
> >> That seems to be the opposite of what you say above.
> >
> > I think you think that because you misunderstood what I said in [1].
> > I'll rephrase it for you:
> >
> > Because people promote the .0 as not yet production-ready, it means
> > that fewer people bother testing with beta and RC versions. Lack of
> > beta testing is what causes .0 to contain more bugs than it otherwise
> > might, so my suggestion is that we should be encouraging people to run
> > beta and RC in their test environments to try to increase the
> > stability of .0 versions.
>
> Alright that I understand, though not necessarily agree with. I would
> say lack of testing has more to do with time/money management.
> Organizations don't want to spend either until: 1) They see the dust
> settle on what is going to end up in the release. 2) Whether there is
> anything interesting enough to invest both in moving to a new release.
> Maybe there is a compelling argument that can be made to get those
> organizations off the fence. I just don't what it is as you would have
> to convince them to spend time and money rather then just wait and let
> the community as a whole do the work.\
>

Contractual requirements to not run EOL software are a strong motivator to
migrate to newer versions of OS and RDBMS.

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Death to <Redacted>, and butter sauce.
Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
<Redacted> lobster!

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 25, 2025 at 10:21=E2=80=AFAM =
Adrian Klaver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com">adrian.klave=
r@aklaver.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_con=
tainer"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 10/24/25 21:50=
, David Rowley wrote:<br>
&gt; On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 at 17:36, Adrian Klaver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adri=
an.klaver@aklaver.com" target=3D"_blank">adrian.klaver@aklaver.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I am not following, from your previous post:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;Beta versions are meant for test instances. It&#39;d be<br>
&gt;&gt; good if people encouraged their use more often rather than pushing=
<br>
&gt;&gt; people to defer til GA&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; That seems to be the opposite of what you say above.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think you think that because you misunderstood what I said in [1].<b=
r>
&gt; I&#39;ll rephrase it for you:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Because people promote the .0 as not yet production-ready, it means<br=
>
&gt; that fewer people bother testing with beta and RC versions. Lack of<br=
>
&gt; beta testing is what causes .0 to contain more bugs than it otherwise<=
br>
&gt; might, so my suggestion is that we should be encouraging people to run=
<br>
&gt; beta and RC in their test environments to try to increase the<br>
&gt; stability of .0 versions.<br>
<br>
Alright that I understand, though not necessarily agree with. I would <br>
say lack of testing has more to do with time/money management. <br>
Organizations don&#39;t want to spend either until: 1) They see the dust <b=
r>
settle on what is going to end up in the release. 2) Whether there is <br>
anything interesting enough to invest both in moving to a new release. <br>
Maybe there is a compelling argument that can be made to get those <br>
organizations off the fence. I just don&#39;t what it is as you would have =
<br>
to convince them to spend time and money rather then just wait and let <br>
the community as a whole do the work.\<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Contractual requirements to not run EOL software are a strong motivator to =
migrate to newer versions of OS and RDBMS.</div></div><div><br></div><span =
class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Death to &lt;Redacted&gt;, and butter sauce=
.<div>Don&#39;t boil me, I&#39;m still alive.<br><div><div>&lt;Redacted&gt;=
 lobster!</div></div></div></div></div></div>

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