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From: Ron Johnson <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 19:18:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: postgres in swap space
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 4:41=E2=80=AFPM Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklave=
r.com>
wrote:

> On 11/17/25 13:12, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybe=
rtec.at
> > <mailto:laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>> wrote:
> >
> >     On Mon, 2025-11-17 at 18:25 +0100, Marc Millas wrote:
> >      > Can someone point me to any doc describing why and how much spac=
e
> >     postgres uses on the swap of a debian machine ?
> >      > it's an old postgres 10, because it is used by a product for
> >     which only this version is certified.
> >      > (no comment on that, please)
> >
> >     I'm biting down a comment.
> >
> >
> > "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" works just fine (until it doesn't).
>
> The problem is when it doesn't work anymore, the work load to move to a
> newer version is that much greater.


That's my point.  If it just *kept* working, there would be no problem.


> Keeping the version within spitting
> distance of the latest supported version, to me, is a good idea.
>

As much as people love to complain about how useless PCI DSS is (see
the recent thread on TDE), there's one benefit: ensuring that companies
keep computers patched and running supported software.

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Don't boil me, I'm still alive.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 4:41=E2=80=AFPM A=
drian Klaver &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com">adrian.klaver=
@aklaver.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_cont=
ainer"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 11/17/25 13:12,=
 Ron Johnson wrote:<br>
&gt; On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 3:50=E2=80=AFPM Laurenz Albe &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:laurenz.albe@cybertec.at" target=3D"_blank">laurenz.albe@cybertec.at</=
a> <br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:laurenz.albe@cybertec.at" target=3D"_blan=
k">laurenz.albe@cybertec.at</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Mon, 2025-11-17 at 18:25 +0100, Marc Millas wrot=
e:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; Can someone point me to any doc describing wh=
y and how much=C2=A0space<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0postgres uses on the swap of a debian machine ?<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; it&#39;s an old postgres 10, because it is us=
ed by a product for<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0which only this version is certified.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; (no comment on that, please)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m biting down a comment.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &quot;If it ain&#39;t broke, don&#39;t fix it&quot; works just fine (u=
ntil it doesn&#39;t).<br>
<br>
The problem is when it doesn&#39;t work anymore, the work load to move to a=
 <br>
newer version is that much greater.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>That=
9;s my point.=C2=A0 If it just <i>kept</i> working, there would be no probl=
em.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
> Keeping the version within spitting <br>
distance of the latest supported version, to me, is a good idea.<br></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>As much as people love to complain about how usel=
ess PCI DSS is (see the=C2=A0recent thread on TDE), there&#39;s one benefit=
:=C2=A0ensuring that companies keep computers patched and running supported=
 software.</div><div><br></div></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix"=
>-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Death to &lt;Redacted&gt;, and butter sauce.<div>Don&#39;t boil me, I&#39;m=
 still alive.<br><div><div>&lt;Redacted&gt; lobster!</div></div></div></div=
></div></div>

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