Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tkfiS-005qdi-Dk for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:46:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tkfiQ-0060kK-V8 for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:45:59 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tkfiQ-0060k4-FH for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:45:58 +0000 Received: from out-mail1.so.ch ([193.135.75.103] helo=in-mail1.so.ch) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tkfiN-001jHc-2o for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:45:58 +0000 From: Schmid Andreas To: "pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org" Subject: PGDG PostgreSQL Debian package: Question on conditions for creation of new cluster Thread-Topic: PGDG PostgreSQL Debian package: Question on conditions for creation of new cluster Thread-Index: AduCqjDHgKrNirGjRgWUvleOi1H4jA== Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:45:53 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: de-CH, en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-smenc: no x-smplain: no x-smsign: no x-smwebmail: no x-smlfm: no x-smnoenc: no x-securemail-addin: SEPPmail 2.0.15.0 x-smime: no x-originating-ip: [10.36.8.5] X-FEAS-Client-IP: 193.135.75.74 X-FEAS-Dictionary: 1(x-processed-by-seppmail:1) X-FE-Policy-ID: 1:3:2:bd.so.ch X-SM-outgoing: yes X-processed-by-seppmail: fromSEPPmail Content-Language: de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg="sha-256"; boundary="----FC5D0AFD91CBEEA13B731999D8065FB6" X-FE-Attachment-Name: smime.p7s X-FE-Last-Public-Client-IP: 193.135.75.74 X-FE-Policy-ID: 1:14:2:bd.so.ch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=bd.so.ch; s=bd.so.ch; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=nkkocirux6gZ9rZa8V3Ww3h7PZC1Xi7XRx1QT2pY6CI=; b=RrR4Crngrb6/OcoCzh4KA9IWhkddjk6xImmZb055+hvS6ffZI5YKDHX19SxSs64CBR/7K0vGVuZH h2Outi/l/+Hh+9kqoTmy7p+ca5nWTZGJ5mV/WZQiMnxoCC69asLU2bJ+aT5vGKaX1XyMX2FItGoo qWJRmzpTqx5B/c1Ko/HeCkthTFtFSutgWxZx8IY3mueHwiX2osxxKim5d8LI4d2Y+ZGML+hs/LSa AnIM4YEO/7f89inKa4S+1o00DHcDuXAH5SEJxuceRk2kuBymTHXSbfRRmBSgEeLBv2lKYu4jm+zl LJetzeyJ551TXqjf7xlkDSZkaor4TNpnIhuxTg== List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk This is an S/MIME signed message ------FC5D0AFD91CBEEA13B731999D8065FB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-version: 1.0 Hi I'm trying to install the postgresql-17 Debian package from PGDG apt repo a= longside an already existing PostgreSQL 16 installation. So there is alread= y a PostgreSQL 16 cluster on my machine (which I want to upgrade to version= 17 using the pg_upgrade command later on). If I'm not wrong, the PostgreSQL packages used to automatically create a ne= w cluster during installation, even if there already was an older cluster p= resent. (Using a different port in this case.) But this doesn't happen with= the 17.3 package. Does anyone know if this behavior has changed? Or anyone= can explain on which conditions a new cluster is created and when not? There was a now closed discussion on this topic on Stack Overflow: https://= stackoverflow.com/questions/79441161/postgres-17-3-installation-no-longer-c= reates-a-new-cluster. Of course, I will create the additional cluster using= pg_createcluster if this is the way to go. The point is that I'm installin= g PostgreSQL using an Ansible script, and pg_createcluster was not needed u= ntil now. So before I update my script, I hope to get some more information= about the behavior of the PostgreSQL packages regarding automatic cluster = creation. 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