X-Original-To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Received: from spampd.localdomain (postgresql.org [64.49.215.8]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30362475A8D for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from echo.computel.nl (echo.computel.nl [195.86.134.74]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5CF474E42 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by echo.computel.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id C4C979EC0 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:48:20 +0200 (CEST) X-AV-Checked: Tue Apr 22 00:48:20 2003 www.nederland.net Received: from Balefire (balefire.demon.nl [212.238.240.59]) by echo.computel.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796729EBF for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:48:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c30858$16111b70$65c8a8c0@10ww.steffann.nl> From: "Sander Steffann" To: "PostgreSQL Hackers" References: <1050961628.382.4.camel@tokyo> Subject: Re: Are we losing momentum? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:48:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) X-Archive-Number: 200304/747 X-Sequence-Number: 38237 Hi, > On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 16:26, scott.marlowe wrote: > > Yet there is no equivalent materialized view that puts the data together > > for the user. I don't know about you, but show table tablename is a bit > > easier to grasp for beginners than the above sequence of SQL statements. > > Granted -- but I don't think that replacing or augmenting the system > catalogs with a set of SHOW commands is a good idea (which is what you > suggested originally). IMHO enhancing the system catalogs by adding > views that encapsulate more of the \ command functionality into the > backend is a good idea, and one that should be implemented eventually. > AFAIK that's been the consensus for some time... I think the SHOW commands won't be neccesary when there are views to use. There is already a good SQL command to get data/information from the databaseserver: SELECT. Adding SHOW commands to the backend that essentially do a SELECT on a system view are a bad thing IMHO. The user can just as easy do a SELECT on the view himself. All just IMHO ofcourse :) Sander.