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Subject: Re: RFC: adding pytest as a supported test framework
To: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>,
 Jacob Champion <jacob.champion@enterprisedb.com>
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On 2024-06-10 Mo 16:04, Andres Freund wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Just for context for the rest the email: I think we desperately need to move
> off perl for tests. The infrastructure around our testing is basically
> unmaintained and just about nobody that started doing dev stuff in the last 10
> years learned perl.


Andres,

I get that you don't like perl. But it's hard for me to take this 
terribly seriously. "desperately" seems like massive overstatement at 
best. As for what up and coming developers learn, they mostly don't 
learn C either, and that's far more critical to what we do.

I'm not sure what part of the testing infrastructure you think is 
unmaintained. For example, the last release of Test::Simple was all the 
way back on April 25.

Maybe there are some technical superiorities about what Jacob is 
proposing, enough for us to add it to our armory. I'll keep an open mind 
on that.

But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Quite apart from 
anything else, a wholesale rework of the test infrastructure would make 
backpatching more painful.


cheers


andrew

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2024-06-10 Mo 16:04, Andres Freund
      wrote:<br>
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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi,


Just for context for the rest the email: I think we desperately need to move
off perl for tests. The infrastructure around our testing is basically
unmaintained and just about nobody that started doing dev stuff in the last 10
years learned perl.</pre>
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    <p>Andres,<br>
    </p>
    <p>I get that you don't like perl. But it's hard for me to take this
      terribly seriously. "desperately" seems like massive overstatement
      at best. As for what up and coming developers learn, they mostly
      don't learn C either, and that's far more critical to what we do.</p>
    <p>I'm not sure what part of the testing infrastructure you think is
      unmaintained. For example, the last release of Test::Simple was
      all the way back on April 25.</p>
    <p>Maybe there are some technical superiorities about what Jacob is
      proposing, enough for us to add it to our armory. I'll keep an
      open mind on that.</p>
    <p>But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Quite apart
      from anything else, a wholesale rework of the test infrastructure
      would make backpatching more painful.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>cheers</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>andrew<br>
    </p>
    <p><span style="white-space: pre-wrap">
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    signature-switch-id="d0437855-2267-4610-80b3-83167ec45b0b" cols="72">--
Andrew Dunstan
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