Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1np80R-0004l2-0n for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:33:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1np80O-0005yl-NE for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:33:20 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1np80O-0005yc-Co for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:33:20 +0000 Received: from mail.thelabyrinth.net ([45.56.70.56]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1np80H-0004mb-FT for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:33:19 +0000 Received: from [10.69.210.216] (c-73-39-102-148.hsd1.va.comcast.net [73.39.102.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dsteele) by mail.thelabyrinth.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D67EF5467D; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <0221fbf8-faeb-774f-291d-647e3480dfe3@pgmasters.net> Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 08:33:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.0 Subject: Re: First draft of the PG 15 release notes Content-Language: en-US To: Ian Lawrence Barwick , Bruce Momjian Cc: PostgreSQL-development References: From: David Steele In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 5/11/22 10:50 PM, Ian Lawrence Barwick wrote: > 2022年5月12日(木) 11:46 Bruce Momjian : >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:40:17AM +0900, Ian Lawrence Barwick wrote: >>> Looking at the release notes from the point of view of someone who has maybe >>> not been following the long-running debate on removing exclusive backups: >>> >>> "Important-sounding backup thing is suddenly gone! What was that >>> again? Hmm, can't >>> find anything in the now-current Pg 15 docs [*], do I need to worry >>> about this!?" >>> >>> [*] the backup section has removed all mention of the word "exclusive" >>> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/continuous-archiving.html#BACKUP-LOWLEVEL-BASE-BACKUP >>> >>> versus: >>> >>> "Long-deprecated thing is finally gone, ah OK whatever". >>> >>> I am thinking back here to a point in my working life where the >>> release notes were reviewed >>> (by a team including non-Pg specialists) for potential issues when >>> considering a major >>> upgrade - from experience the more clarity with this kind of change >>> the better so >>> as not to unnecessarily raise alarm bells. >> >> Ah, you are right. I thought I had "deprecated" in the text, but I now >> see I did not, and we do have cases where we mention the deprecated >> status in previous release notes, so the new text is: >> >> Remove long-deprecated exclusive backup mode (David Steele, Nathan >> Bossart) > > > That works, thanks! A bit late to this conversation, but +1 from me. -- -David david@pgmasters.net