Re: Synchronizing slots from primary to standby

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From: Drouvot, Bertrand <[email protected]>
To: shveta malik <[email protected]>
Cc: Bharath Rupireddy <[email protected]>
Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
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Cc: Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]>
Cc: Andres Freund <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Synchronizing slots from primary to standby
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:47:47 +0200
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Hi,

On 8/4/23 1:32 PM, shveta malik wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 2:44 PM Drouvot, Bertrand
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 7/28/23 4:39 PM, Bharath Rupireddy wrote:

>> Sorry to be late, but I gave a second thought and I wonder if we really need this design.
>> (i.e start a logical replication background worker on the standby to sync the slots).
>>
>> Wouldn't that be simpler to "just" update the sync slots "metadata"
>> as the https://github.com/EnterpriseDB/pg_failover_slots module (mentioned by Peter
>> up-thread) is doing?
>> (making use of LogicalConfirmReceivedLocation(), LogicalIncreaseXminForSlot()
>> and LogicalIncreaseRestartDecodingForSlot(), If I read synchronize_one_slot() correctly).
>>
> 
> Agreed. It would be simpler to just update the metadata. I think you
> have not got chance to review the latest posted patch ('v10-0003')
> yet, it does the same.

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, I did not look at v10 in details and was
looking at the email thread only.

Indeed, I now see that 0003 does update the metadata in local_slot_advance(),
that's great!

> 
> But I do not quite get it as in how can we do it w/o starting a
> background worker? 

Yeah, agree that we still need background workers.
What I meant was to avoid to use "logical replication background worker"
(aka through logicalrep_worker_launch()) to sync the slots.

> The question here is how many background workers we
> need to have. Will one be sufficient or do we need one per db (as done
> earlier by the original patches in this thread) or are we good with
> dividing work among some limited number of workers?
> 
> I feel syncing all slots in one worker may increase the lag between
> subsequent syncs for a particular slot and if the number of slots are
> huge, the chances of losing the slot-data is more in case of failure.
> Starting one worker per db also might not be that efficient as it will
> increase load on the system (both in terms of background worker and
> network traffic) especially for a case where the number of dbs are
> more. Thus starting max 'n' number of workers where 'n' is decided by
> GUC and dividing the work/DBs among these looks a better option to me.
> Please see the discussion in and around the email at [1]
> 
> [1]: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAJpy0uCT%2BnpL4eUvCWiV_MBEri9ixcUgJVDdsBCJSqLd0oD1fQ%40mail.g...

Thanks for the link! If I read the email thread correctly, this discussion
was before V10 (which is the first version making use of LogicalConfirmReceivedLocation(),
LogicalIncreaseXminForSlot(), LogicalIncreaseRestartDecodingForSlot()) means
before the metadata sync only has been implemented.

While I agree that the approach to split the sync load among workers with the new
max_slot_sync_workers GUC seems reasonable without the sync only feature (pre V10),
I'm not sure that with the metadata sync only in place the extra complexity to manage multiple
sync workers is needed.

Maybe we should start some tests/benchmark with only one sync worker to get numbers
and start from there?

Regards,

-- 
Bertrand Drouvot
PostgreSQL Contributors Team
RDS Open Source Databases
Amazon Web Services: https://aws.amazon.com

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