Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZKzS-0002Vp-Hn for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:02:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZKzP-0005DL-VB for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:01:59 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZKzP-000537-Ld for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:01:59 +0000 Received: from wforward4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.34]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZKzM-0004M6-Ta for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 21:01:58 +0000 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailforward.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C15F68F; Thu, 14 May 2020 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 14 May 2020 17:01:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=uyHAqqocCfl7Kc6ZRkejHOMlCO/X0SVQ41LspsiD7 yY=; b=tf9Nm+zKWi8DZ4iZB4EjTRhurNmx8BH5bZ7Pu5R62NSsTDqH9O5oKSolD zn47DRrcxKr+uHw41/9a/4XSfpeL4Yqq7vNIEq8mx6Tgw9bznxgu8JvRYdyEVx2g abP2MEMKcokpJED3A093VFdnZANc8MNNPwsfpLg2D3G6vrXijcUUe0mZJopxQb5M HyWY/On9/oujgrQvxTWuw52yJpHBybfR/BYMDDvTDRcKCPPKOHy7oDgphoMPxzqW WNPB489eaVfHH4DGLRKLyAAvmrURrh6umFQJaXJNCCFj3fLaxV0wt1c800p+KFme ZdBU3xeAQc2zr2JY6AiAD+QTVSYpw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrleeigddugeejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhohfkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefrvght vghrucfgihhsvghnthhrrghuthcuoehpvghtvghrrdgvihhsvghnthhrrghuthesvdhnug hquhgrughrrghnthdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnheptdevgeehtdejvdevvdel jeeuveejjedtleelgfekleefieekjeelgfektdduuedvnecuffhomhgrihhnpedvnhguqh hurggurhgrnhhtrdgtohhmnecukfhppeelfedrvdegvddrvdegrdeijeenucevlhhushht vghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehpvghtvghrrdgvihhsvg hnthhrrghuthesvdhnughquhgrughrrghnthdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from april.pezone.net (p5df21843.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.242.24.67]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0D44A30610E8; Thu, 14 May 2020 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: PG 13 release notes, first draft To: Justin Pryzby , Amit Kapila References: <20200505031600.GB21752@momjian.us> <20200512004155.GP18456@telsasoft.com> Cc: Bruce Momjian , PostgreSQL-development From: Peter Eisentraut Organization: 2ndQuadrant Message-ID: <08a50ae9-89fe-a29b-c4e4-0fb5033c2f06@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 23:01:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200512004155.GP18456@telsasoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 2020-05-12 02:41, Justin Pryzby wrote: > I'm not opposed to including it, but I think it's still true that the user > doesn't need to know in advance that the error message will be additionally > helpful in the event of corruption. If we were to include more "error" items, > we might also include these: > > 71a8a4f6e36547bb060dbcc961ea9b57420f7190 Add backtrace support for error reporting This is actually a legitimate user-visible feature and should be listed somewhere. -- Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services