Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1waJwD-001h85-2E for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 21:06:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1waJwB-00DY6s-1V for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 21:06:11 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1waJwB-00DY6j-0I for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 21:06:11 +0000 Received: from smtp.outgoing.loopia.se ([93.188.3.37]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1waJw8-000000012Al-26ND for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 21:06:10 +0000 Received: from s807.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DED626646 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:06:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s981.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.5]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61547626B18; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:06:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [172.22.191.6]) by s981.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6006322B160E; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:06:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at amavis.loopia.se X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: s898.loopia.se (amavis); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yesql.se Received: from s899.loopia.se ([172.22.191.6]) by localhost (s898.loopia.se [172.22.190.17]) (amavis, port 10024) with LMTP id YPr0aWQrVwNr; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:06:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Loopia-Auth: user X-Loopia-User: daniel@yesql.se X-Loopia-Originating-IP: IPv6:2001:2043:5ad6:9500:a0f4:7e69:b489:d2c5 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2001:2043:5ad6:9500:a0f4:7e69:b489:d2c5]) (Authenticated sender: daniel@yesql.se) by s899.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B49D52C8B91A; Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:06:03 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yesql.se; s=loopiadkim1707475645; t=1781816763; bh=54ooPiECscVulmLCv4/Zm0QcQxOizF+lqV33iscBHAs=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=shGJSU22zXdKnuMntCmZb7Wgcs5VtEobTYkW4o0NMuZarwt1tdhw2nQSK4MH8r6J3 HrroZXOc454HYgVwyB7mD50v9+H0BNzV0a0a2Li1li/8IScJeFEggGCHnnH4e7levb JdzsPk2tsUuCXRblg6FbfAKnB+75xwnYMfZoZDzB2DbYABAoilYMx2XrsIeWQ0MNXh 4zTVHQp0ERZ9kEXZCCjkGwwBk10blftMf8iJJGo6MPpykOkZNTjwwGZo28lyftiFTP y9qzdWpIV29UgEbwenQcbI+0+WlhcTpgEdv6oj7vRMuhuYlDB1ljD5NB6ZbGWdyllR uu6+sdPpQF8iQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.12\)) Subject: Re: PG20 Minimum Dependency Thread From: Daniel Gustafsson In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:05:53 +0200 Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1050A00D-0076-4E8B-9179-1AEB69863F84@yesql.se> References: To: Jacob Champion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.12) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk > On 18 Jun 2026, at 22:01, Jacob Champion = wrote: > For me, the most important reason is OpenSSL, because upstream has > already reached 4.0 and we still can't drop code written for 1.1.1. The entire OpenSSL 3.x line will be down to just 3.5 LTS by the time we = ship v20. One complicating factor when it comes to OpenSSL is that we need the = 1.1.1 API support in order to keep LibreSSL supported. I have a patch almost done = for separating the two such that we can move them independently of each = other, but summer vacation and other $life stuff delayed it. I'll try to get it = posted shortly so that we can start the discussion around that.=20 -- Daniel Gustafsson