Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oAwkU-00027n-S5 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:59:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oAwkT-0005zS-Fj for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:59:05 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oAwkT-0005z2-6Z for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:59:05 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oAwkN-0000SF-R3 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:59:04 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 26BGwpgL1139131; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:58:51 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: Robert Haas cc: Thomas Munro , Peter Eisentraut , Peter Geoghegan , Andres Freund , Noah Misch , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: AIX support - alignment issues In-reply-to: References: <20220702183354.a6uhja35wta7agew@alap3.anarazel.de> <968410.1656789743@sss.pgh.pa.us> <977853.1656794075@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1415825.1656893299@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1827177.1656996797@sss.pgh.pa.us> <7890936c-392b-91be-edac-b6d5a500e4b9@enterprisedb.com> <3192764.1657254276@sss.pgh.pa.us> <825102.1657496299@sss.pgh.pa.us> <959917.1657522169@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to Robert Haas message dated "Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:39 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1139129.1657558731.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1139130.1657558731@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Robert Haas writes: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 2:49 AM Tom Lane wrote: >> I think it'd be pretty reasonable to disclaim support for >> any architecture that doesn't have a representative in our >> buildfarm, which would lead to dropping all four of these. >> If you don't like it, step up and run a buildfarm animal. > I strongly suspect that anyone who tried to use a modern PostgreSQL on > any of these platforms would find it quite an adventure, which is > fine, because if you're trying to use any of those platforms in 2022, > you are probably the sort of person who enjoys an adventure. But it > can't really be useful to list them in the documentation, and it's > unlikely that any of them "just work". It's possible that they "just work", but we have no way of knowing that, or knowing if we break them in future. Thus the importance of having a buildfarm animal to tell us that. More generally, I think the value of carrying support for niche architectures is that it helps keep us from falling into the software-monoculture trap, from which we'd be unable to escape when the hardware landscape inevitably changes. However, it only helps if somebody is testing such arches on a regular basis. The fact that there's some #ifdef'd code somewhere for M88K proves diddly-squat about whether we could actually run on M88K today. The situation for niche operating systems is precisely analogous. regards, tom lane