Received: from maia.hub.org (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04E26334D3 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:46:05 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87504-03 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:45:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail136055.authsmtp.co.uk (outmail136055.authsmtp.co.uk [62.13.136.55]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DDB633033 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:45:58 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail-c187.authsmtp.com (mail-c187.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.33]) by punt9.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Kp) with ESMTP id nBMAjhRj074678; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:45:43 GMT Received: from [192.168.0.6] (88-110-178-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.110.178.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Kp) with ESMTP id nBMAjeP8004064; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:45:40 GMT Subject: Re: Small Bug in GetConflictingVirtualXIDs From: Simon Riggs To: Andres Freund Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Tom Lane , Alvaro Herrera In-Reply-To: <200912220319.10264.af@cybertec.de> References: <200912210402.37850.andres@anarazel.de> <15331.1261409887@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1261410532.17644.3336.camel@ebony> <200912220319.10264.af@cybertec.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:42:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1261478551.7442.4332.camel@ebony> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Quench: 25fadb0f-eee7-11de-ab46-001185d377ca X-Report-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCdxZQATClZOTQEd DAteCiN5VAwpPBRK HVkIKg5MJUcNSQVJ NksachtFagdbaVxS HGQLW11EUV17XWZ/ bwofZQ1DY0tOQQRt WFZMQE1XHAJ3AVJf dGNvCEwSfwVGfH52 YQhlWXZbEkZ/Ixcp EE4CCDhTMGB9aWFL BV0JJQdSbQNKfx5N bwR8U3ReMCtlM3Bw LC8aFBMcBw5qYB9Q SwUJZXgPTg4KGHYT SgwpGjMhGUwOWyQ1 ICInMEIBFUIhE2kp WV4y X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633235383639.1000:706/Kp X-AuthFastPath: 255 X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.599 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200912/1909 X-Sequence-Number: 152612 On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 03:19 +0100, Andres Freund wrote: > On Monday 21 December 2009 16:48:52 Simon Riggs wrote: > > Giving the drop database a snapshot is not the answer. I expect Andres > > to be able to fix this with a simple patch that would not effect the > > case of normal running. > Actually its less simply than I had thought at first - I don't think the code > ever handled that correctly. > I might be wrong there, my knowledge of the involved code is a bit sparse... > The whole conflict resolution builds on the concept of waiting for an VXid, but > an idle backend does not have a valid vxid. Thats correct, right? Yes, that's correct. I'll take this one back then. > Sure, the code should be modifyable to handle that code mostly transparently > (simply ignoring a invalid localTransactionId when the database id is valid), > but ... > > I am inclined to just unconditionally kill the users of the database. Its not > like that would be an issue in production. I cant see a case where its > important to run a session to its end on a database which was dropped on the > master. > Opinions on that? I don't see any mileage in making Startup process wait for an idle session, so no real reason to wait for others either. -- Simon Riggs www.2ndQuadrant.com