Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5JXl-0006dK-QB for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 22:11:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5JXl-00046i-9y for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 22:11:45 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5JWD-0007Nl-1s; Mon, 01 May 2017 22:10:09 +0000 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5JWA-0003nY-5e; Mon, 01 May 2017 22:10:07 +0000 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F01120976; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 01 May 2017 18:10:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=ScFOLXBEYYMGh3l2a7WTDvo/dT7LlxOaDYSgEDc+Vy8=; b=dar+mo1k BYZ1q5CU1xagWEKylJixKoIZgV+Kt0GXVXZd9ks2rY5QHYM7M6gUlY88cWl7TaCM NhrMm8wKf/+Hxd23QYOEK58yCjt7oWEy6tpPbY+oUFfe3GCA9EkhDU0HKa1sfdTW 8J2t2gcg5b/Xi+h/D37Ymt+qCp3rUD8nYFyqTLsIJEuG6Us/gAiGXuYGdAKP/vDP MCPM0GI2RLsp633mmLu0DHUUe1zv8wTnYbjecP9z6gWsM57RaYB5K0nI7OqoAtRm /ThaVer4VaRyQTEFiKVGHVGL242cVoZXoAlQ1f4Nj95MefvMYR508pqJ9Urw+X8V Fz17AMZJ4JjPVQ== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: VBhCg/qbw7Dw8KnNhBFjn/JdKYHz7fPINwBGuq0jc77I 1493676605 Received: from april.local (c-73-13-66-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [73.13.66.39]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BEF837E267; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: snapbuild woes To: Tom Lane , Andres Freund References: <20170413045812.GA2917375@tornado.leadboat.com> <20170417020404.GB2988768@tornado.leadboat.com> <20170418041657.hvwss6hz73ghozp5@alap3.anarazel.de> <20170420000906.75t6uo7bof5pazrq@alap3.anarazel.de> <20170422053458.z7kmzopqdyi2tai4@alap3.anarazel.de> <20170429214201.GB799290@rfd.leadboat.com> <4387.1493642807@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20170501160918.j27fvngzuwspg7d6@alap3.anarazel.de> <16845.1493656327@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20170501164011.5xqwxwlpdoc6kc4o@alap3.anarazel.de> <18057.1493658127@sss.pgh.pa.us> Cc: Noah Misch , Petr Jelinek , Erik Rijkers , David Steele , PostgreSQL-development , Robert Haas , Craig Ringer , pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org From: Peter Eisentraut Organization: 2ndQuadrant Message-ID: <12f78f6b-3a18-2456-62f0-e2821213af1d@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 18:10:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18057.1493658127@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pg-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org On 5/1/17 13:02, Tom Lane wrote: > Andres Freund writes: >> On 2017-05-01 12:32:07 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >>> But quite aside from the question of whether we can afford the cycles, >>> it seems like the wrong approach. IMO the buildfarm is mainly for >>> verifying portability, not for trying to prove that race-like >>> conditions don't exist. In most situations we're going out of our way >>> to ensure reproduceability of tests we add to the buildfarm sequence; >>> but it seems like this is looking for irreproducible results. > >> Yea, I wondered about that upthread as well. But the tests are quite >> useful nonetheless. Wonder about adding them simply as a separate >> target. > > I have no objection to adding more tests as a non-default target. Well, the problem with nondefault targets is that they are hard to find if you don't know them, and then they will rot. Sure, we need a way to distinguish different classes of tests, but lets think about the bigger scheme, too. Ideas welcome. -- Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers