Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hsHFs-0006AR-Se for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:48:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hsHFq-0005Tm-Nn for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:48:42 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hsHFq-0005Te-FG for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:48:42 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hsHFn-00074W-84 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:48:42 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x6U1mSe2013216; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:48:28 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: Robert Haas cc: Michael Paquier , Andres Freund , Alvaro Herrera , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: TopoSort() fix In-reply-to: References: <20190726220538.GA17809@alvherre.pgsql> <20190726234835.xqyfukqhhzdiqoih@alap3.anarazel.de> <17997.1564187056@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190729015059.GE6959@paquier.xyz> <23797.1564412165@sss.pgh.pa.us> <3243.1564437314@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to Robert Haas message dated "Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:57:15 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <13214.1564451308.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:48:28 -0400 Message-ID: <13215.1564451308@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk Robert Haas writes: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:55 PM Tom Lane wrote: >> FYI, I just got done inventing a way to reach that code, and I have >> to suspect that it's impossible to do so in production, because under >> ordinary circumstances no parallel worker will take any exclusive lock >> that isn't already held by its leader. (If you happen to know an >> easy counterexample, let's see it.) > I think the way you could make that happen would be to run a parallel > query that calls a user-defined function which does LOCK TABLE. I tried that first. There are backstops preventing doing LOCK TABLE in a worker, just like for advisory locks. I believe the only accessible route to taking any sort of new lock in a parallel worker is catalog lookups causing AccessShareLock on a catalog. In principle, maybe you could make a deadlock situation by combining parallel workers with something that takes AccessExclusiveLock on a catalog ... but making that into a reliable test case sounds about impossible, because AEL on a catalog will have all sorts of unpleasant side-effects, such as blocking isolationtester's own queries. (Getting it to work in a CLOBBER_CACHE_ALWAYS build seems right out, for instance.) regards, tom lane