Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VoEHH-0007wG-GF for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:22:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VoEHG-0008CS-Ur for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:22:14 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VoEHF-0008CI-Kq for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:22:13 +0000 Received: from nm20-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.242]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VoEH8-0000LC-Bd for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:22:13 +0000 Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2013 15:22:03 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.179] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2013 15:22:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1090.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2013 15:22:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 505665.22626.bm@omp1090.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 34039 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2013 15:22:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1386170522; bh=iEjNAEGXOzVNykZv+gBKhN+z+FwjoQgHqtLvPkW0WLQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wvmfyX7Ta2K8b0QiQqJUFsIe+V6IqY0N582iIOEpP4oU2xK8ffsEfv5AuElh777kB2X++/oCm8Xm05zrkHiVPAedCWrZbUMlg0slYX580LH16dLAhPJWjc5pNvBtd87yqGFh5fkxaGobg9NMeLnps8wvffDF9DNjwjSDUuA/jTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=exRZVFLIMTuIpLz/YVLYNfUYJK22Vn/K/v4Bkylre2x3/CVDCZr7Jh+eLSPanL4ufyCbx0mVYcLQ9eL2dxncagmTDzFfnLRO+f/uNYkHj7U7h91OzIfKsnBtLbZot17YnAfQYBKrSX8NPht68ZSyKcIS8ZBLGR2ayuygPYGt4cE=; X-YMail-OSG: xSZzcfQVM1nbOtFgM35cO9QOnp8haQWBd7eR4Q.Lalem2k3 37ydQBdMf7tonS.S3P4MPKtNMnf8iR8VpOEEubd87Sk10IEY2Z7PrUyiSVei CDJ50afKEY885l48ZwfjaF10HGdOWubszGho9CFlsUIKHWzJROkiBBnNpiJK 316mzB.NmAvRnJ4bb3OEXq4ueblcIZQxAXnkPF.leixGjs4oljO2hMog9viJ 8i.XPG.qhvXLC4iKtz0xgL4z9iVTkfF_2k9eyKp8rVAGWlJM1r8YWNHKa5Q4 HX0wFiFXYWiXLYIfGLb0u4CG0oe0gesBh1p9xa76oqpM0GVvyR8YIzF.6Jo4 OU3i.cIvh.vAnYcvfEyK_m9FI6uEBoPN07d0163jrMIlsKr_7.uteSU7LjSK ZnzHbW2xDVm5kYknJjynPOy.JFtAilfKfwAfkibnCpiWTQR.MijsfSpuu73I uNFex0j6T_m.5KxWExYTJG.DBOdNbLhPx3SFoGAfu4W5GC0EJOLi8zHMjree UdwVWmLTVTrQFmlspwvDd9_5szSOA7wd3EmTF2cZ5tcpr.caLANjo6QMTqKZ a_GhOWwJf8n9f5KI0pWQoyWlPS50DadsF59GRayac Received: from [76.255.18.237] by web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:22:02 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, Um9iZXJ0IEhhYXMgPHJvYmVydG1oYWFzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo.IFNvLCBJIHByb3Bvc2VkIHRoaXMgcGF0Y2ggcHJldmlvdXNseSBhbmQgSSBzdGlsbCB0aGluayBpdCdzIGEKPiBnb29kIGlkZWEsIGJ1dCBpdCBnb3Qgdm90ZWQgZG93biBvbiB0aGUgZ3JvdW5kcyB0aGF0IGl0IGRpZG4ndAo.IGRlYWwgd2l0aCBjbG9jayBkcmlmdC7CoCBJIHZpZXcgdGhhdCBhcyBpbnN1ZmZpY2llbnQgcmVhc29uIHRvCj4gcmVqZWN0IHRoZSBmZWF0dXJlLCBidXQgb3RoZXJzIGRpc2FncmVlZC7CoCBVbmxlc3MBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.167.602 References: <52984711.8040806@lab.ntt.co.jp> <20131203163302.GA18669@achilles.fritz.box> Message-ID: <1386170522.33753.YahooMailNeo@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 07:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Grittner Reply-To: Kevin Grittner Subject: Re: Time-Delayed Standbys To: Robert Haas , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fabr=EDzio_Mello?= Cc: Christian Kruse , Pgsql Hackers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Pg-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org Robert Haas wrote: > So, I proposed this patch previously and I still think it's a > good idea, but it got voted down on the grounds that it didn't > deal with clock drift.=A0 I view that as insufficient reason to > reject the feature, but others disagreed.=A0 Unless some of those > people have changed their minds, I don't think this patch has > much future here. There are many things that a system admin can get wrong.=A0 Failing to supply this feature because the sysadmin might not be running ntpd (or equivalent) correctly seems to me to be like not having the software do fsync because the sysadmin might not have turned off write-back buffering on drives without persistent storage.=20 Either way, poor system management can defeat the feature.=A0 Either way, I see no reason to withhold the feature from those who manage their systems in a sane fashion. -- Kevin Grittner EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company --=20 Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers