Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfNeP-0007FO-Vj for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:14:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfNeO-0007cd-UF for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:14:20 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfNeO-0007cU-LC for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:14:20 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfNeM-0006cN-9w for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:14:19 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 23FFEDm21643036; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 11:14:13 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: Andres Freund cc: Noah Misch , Peter Geoghegan , David Rowley , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: Intermittent buildfarm failures on wrasse In-reply-to: <1637671.1650032132@sss.pgh.pa.us> References: <1521388.1649953580@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1547912.1649971995@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1553951.1649975018@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1570894.1649986347@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20220415015249.kfsqxujrf2bn2wz6@alap3.anarazel.de> <20220415024515.GA862547@rfd.leadboat.com> <20220415051205.6abhlilh6fnjgohr@alap3.anarazel.de> <20220415052125.GD862547@rfd.leadboat.com> <1637671.1650032132@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to Tom Lane message dated "Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:15:32 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1643034.1650035653.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 11:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1643035.1650035653@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk I wrote: > the vacuum in test_setup sees > ... > removable cutoff: 724, older by 26 xids when operation ended > ... BTW, before I forget: the wording of this log message is just awful. On first sight, I thought that it meant that we'd computed OldestXmin a second time and discovered that it advanced by 26 xids while the VACUUM was running. Looking at the code, I see that's not so: diff =3D (int32) (ReadNextTransactionId() - OldestXmin); appendStringInfo(&buf, _("removable cutoff: %u, older by %d xids whe= n operation ended\n"), OldestXmin, diff); but good luck understanding what it actually means from the message text alone. I think more appropriate wording would be something like "removable cutoff: %u, which was %d xids old when operation ended\n" Also, is it really our practice to spell XID in lower-case in user-facing messages? Thoughts, better ideas? regards, tom lane