Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tG8ap-0018Wv-Ok for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 03:19:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tG8ao-00BOSP-8I for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 03:19:54 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tG8an-00BOSH-UU for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 03:19:53 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([68.162.161.243]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tG8al-004Fnm-TQ for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 03:19:53 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 4AR3JkQF1770480; Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:19:46 -0500 From: Tom Lane To: David Rowley cc: Robert Haas , Guillaume Lelarge , Greg Sabino Mullane , Michael Christofides , "David G. Johnston" , Nikolay Samokhvalov , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Proposals for EXPLAIN: rename ANALYZE to EXECUTE and extend VERBOSE In-reply-to: References: <3076356.1730831425@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1558996.1732576353@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to David Rowley message dated "Wed, 27 Nov 2024 16:02:11 +1300" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1770478.1732677586.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1770479.1732677586@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk David Rowley writes: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 12:12, Tom Lane wrote: >> I'm kind of -0.5, but I'd not bothered to vote because it was >> pretty clear what the result was going to be. > Just so I can properly understand, how much of the -0.5 is "don't like > the idea" vs "rather make changes to well-known behaviour"? Well, I'm with Robert in that I've not found the buffer counts to be all that useful most of the time. I grant that they're sometimes useful, but that's not enough to justify them being on by default: EXPLAIN output is cluttered enough already. And I'm also not thrilled with changing longstanding behavior, but that's a relatively minor point in this case. regards, tom lane