Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfTqq-0004hm-Bp for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:51:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfTqp-0003rr-4k for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:51:35 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfTqo-0003ri-Rg for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:51:34 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfTqm-0001oH-Mn for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:51:33 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 23FLpQIK1802042; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 17:51:26 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: Andres Freund cc: pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org, Noah Misch , Peter Geoghegan , David Rowley Subject: Re: Intermittent buildfarm failures on wrasse In-reply-to: References: <1570894.1649986347@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20220415015249.kfsqxujrf2bn2wz6@alap3.anarazel.de> <20220415024515.GA862547@rfd.leadboat.com> <20220415051205.6abhlilh6fnjgohr@alap3.anarazel.de> <20220415052125.GD862547@rfd.leadboat.com> <1637671.1650032132@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1643686.1650036220@sss.pgh.pa.us> <1650516.1650040612@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20220415165850.rh7byj7ep5jmzuzb@alap3.anarazel.de> <1737834.1650046487@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to Andres Freund message dated "Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:01:38 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1802040.1650059486.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 17:51:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1802041.1650059486@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Andres Freund writes: > On April 15, 2022 2:14:47 PM EDT, Tom Lane wrote: >> I could use some help filling in the XXX comments, because it's far >> from clear to me *why* walsenders need this to happen. > If you want to commit before: The reason is that walsenders use their x= min to represent the xmin of standbys when using hot_standby_feedback. Sin= ce we're only transmitting global horizons up from standbys, it has to inf= luence globally (and it would be hard to represent per db horizons anyway)= . Got it. I rewrote the comments and pushed. Noah, it should be safe to turn wrasse back on. regards, tom lane