Received: from makus.postgresql.org (makus.postgresql.org [98.129.198.125]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7939CF7659 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:39:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from smtp.01.com ([199.36.142.181]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SI1Vp-0003d4-Dy for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:39:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out-1.01.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B473F5EB8 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:39:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp-out-1.01.com Received: from smtp.01.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-out-1.01.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0MUiHlf8fOH for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:39:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out-1.01.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD74D2940C5 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:39:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-1.01.com (mail.01.com [172.18.30.178]) by smtp-out-1.01.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59A23F46B8; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:39:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Joshua Berkus To: Tom Lane Cc: Christopher Browne , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Robert Haas Message-ID: <1939300539.208434.1334165944189.JavaMail.root@mail-1.01.com> In-Reply-To: <26581.1334162880@sss.pgh.pa.us> Subject: Re: Last gasp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [66.78.217.141] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.3_GA_3374 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Linux)/7.1.3_GA_3346) X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Archive-Number: 201204/602 X-Sequence-Number: 206405 > Ultimately, we're herding cats here. I don't think you're going to > get > the community to suddenly be willing to march in lockstep instead. If you, Peter, Simon, Robert, Heikki, Magnus, Peter G., Greg, Bruce and Andrew agreed on a calendar-driven, mostly unambiguous process and adhered to that process, then the one or two people who didn't follow along wouldn't matter. Everyone else would follow you. The reason things are chaotic now is that our lead committers do not have consensus and are even inconsistent from CF to CF individually. In other words: the problem is only unsolvable because *you* think it's unsolvable. If you decide the problem is solvable, you already have the means to solve it. --Josh Berkus