X-Original-To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Received: from spampd.localdomain (postgresql.org [64.49.215.8]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6714476342 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts11.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.55]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FC4476349 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cbbrowne.com ([64.229.209.85]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030415022454.JTCL19569.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@cbbrowne.com> for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:24:54 -0400 Received: from cbbrowne.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cbbrowne.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93BF57EDA; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: cbbrowne@cbbrowne.com To: Kevin Brown , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Are we losing momentum? In-Reply-To: Message from Kevin Brown of "Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:30:27 PDT." <20030415003027.GY1833@filer> References: <2703.1050364467@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20030415003027.GY1833@filer> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.1; nmh 1.0.4+dev; XEmacs 21.4 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:24:39 -0400 Message-Id: <20030415022439.B93BF57EDA@cbbrowne.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-23.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) X-Archive-Number: 200304/457 X-Sequence-Number: 37947 Kevin, without the "e", wrote... > I seriously think the native Win32 port of Postgres will make a big > difference, because it'll be a SQL Server killer. Especially if it > comes with a nice administrative GUI. :-) I wouldn't be too sanguine about that, from two perspectives: a) There's a moving target, here, in that Microsoft seems to be looking for the next "new thing" to be the elimination of the use of "files" in favor of the filesystem being treated as a database. b) We recently were considering how we'd put a sharable Windows box in, at the office. Were considering using VNC to allow it to be accessible. Then someone thought to read the license, only to discover that the license pretty much expressly forbids running "foreign, competing applications" on the platform. It seems pretty plausible that the net result of further development will be platforms that are actively hostile to foreign software. If I suggested that the licensing of Win2003 would expressly forbid installing PostgreSQL, people would rightly accuse me of being a paranoid conspiracy theorist. But considering that the thought of VNC being outlawed would have seemed pretty daft a few years ago, and we see things like DMCA combining with "Homeland Security." Anti-"hacking" provisions have been going into telecom laws that appear to classify network hardware that can do NAT as "illegal hacking" equipment. I'm not sure what we'd have to consider "daft" come 2005... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.mca@" "enworbbc")) http://cbbrowne.com/info/internet.html "Heuristics (from the French heure, "hour") limit the amount of time spent executing something. [When using heuristics] it shouldn't take longer than an hour to do something."