Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WUd9Y-0005ul-DI for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:25:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WUd9X-0007Xr-RQ for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:25:31 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WUd9V-0007VR-6U for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:25:29 +0000 Received: from smtprelay0206.b.hostedemail.com ([64.98.42.206] helo=smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WUd9S-0001L5-1R for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:25:28 +0000 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay06.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7F98D013; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:25:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 616C76686572726540616C76682E6E6F2D69702E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org, :::::, RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:966:967:973:988:989:1260:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1541:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2196:2199:2393:2525:2560:2563:2682:2685:2828:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4321:4385:4605:4659:5007:6261:9025:9121:10004:10400:10848:10967:11026:11232:11256:11257:11638:11658:11914:12050:12296:12438:12517:12519:12663:12679:12740:13069:13311:13357:13894:13895, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-HE-Tag: brass93_864cf9aa80050 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2345 Received: from eldon.alvh.no-ip.org (pc-46-10-241-201.cm.vtr.net [201.241.10.46]) (Authenticated sender: alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org) by omf01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eldon.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7791E1FC9; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:25:20 -0300 (CLST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:25:20 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Andres Freund Cc: Stephen Frost , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: MultiXactId error after upgrade to 9.3.4 Message-ID: <20140331142520.GY9567@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> References: <20140330040029.GY4582@tamriel.snowman.net> <20140330141135.GA4582@tamriel.snowman.net> <20140330185349.GD4582@tamriel.snowman.net> <20140331115452.GT9567@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> <20140331115713.GA18358@alap3.anarazel.de> <20140331140245.GX9567@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20140331140245.GX9567@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Andres Freund wrote: > > On 2014-03-31 08:54:53 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > My conclusion here is that some part of the code is failing to examine > > > XMAX_INVALID before looking at the value stored in xmax itself. There > > > ought to be a short-circuit. Fortunately, this bug should be pretty > > > harmless. > > > > > > .. and after looking, I'm fairly sure the bug is in > > > heap_tuple_needs_freeze. > > > > heap_tuple_needs_freeze() isn't *allowed* to look at > > XMAX_INVALID. Otherwise it could miss freezing something still visible > > on a standby or after an eventual crash. > > I think this rule is wrong. I think the rule ought to be something like > "if the XMAX_INVALID bit is set, then reset whatever is there if there > is something; if the bit is not set, proceed as today". Otherwise we > risk reading garbage, which is what is happening in this case. Andres asks on IM: How come there is garbage there in the first place? I have to admit I have no idea. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers