Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd2s1-0001nz-QJ for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:30:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd2s1-0005zy-9i for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:30:13 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:7903:4::125]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd2rz-0005yz-JA for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:30:11 +0000 Received: from smtprelay0067.b.hostedemail.com ([64.98.42.67] helo=smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd2rw-0001Q1-Ni for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:30:10 +0000 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay03.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9D01A7017; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:30:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 616C76686572726540616C76682E6E6F2D69702E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org, :::::::, RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:966:967:973:988:989:1260:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1539:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2196:2198:2199:2200:2393:2525:2560:2563:2682:2685:2693:2731:2828:2859:2901:2918:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4385:4605:4659:5007:6119:6261:7903:9025:9121:10004:10400:10848:11026:11232:11256:11257:11473:11638:11658:11914:12438:12517:12519:13069:13146:13215:13229:13230:13311:13357:13894:13895:14040, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-HE-Tag: spoon49_3b2bd4862e14d X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2179 Received: from eldon.alvh.no-ip.org (unknown [190.215.45.233]) (Authenticated sender: alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org) by omf13.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eldon.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 616B61FC9; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:30:05 -0300 (CLST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:30:05 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Andres Freund Cc: Bruce Momjian , Stephen Frost , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: MultiXactId error after upgrade to 9.3.4 Message-ID: <20140423193005.GS25695@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> References: <20140330141135.GA4582@tamriel.snowman.net> <20140330185349.GD4582@tamriel.snowman.net> <20140331115452.GT9567@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> <20140331115713.GA18358@alap3.anarazel.de> <20140423180102.GP25695@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> <20140423182804.GA21458@momjian.us> <20140423184214.GQ25695@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> <20140423184716.GA22722@momjian.us> <20140423185120.GR25695@eldon.alvh.no-ip.org> <60097392-07aa-4310-8632-43b7b09c1822@email.android.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <60097392-07aa-4310-8632-43b7b09c1822@email.android.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org Andres Freund wrote: > I think this patch is a seriously bad idea. For one, it's not actually > doing anything about the problem - the tuple can be accessed without > freezing getting involved. Normal access other than freeze is not a problem, because other code paths do check for HEAP_XMAX_INVALID and avoid access to Xmax if that's set. > For another, it will increase wall traffic for freezing of short lived > tuples considerably, without any benefit. True. I didn't actually try to run this; it was just for demonstration purposes. It'd need some cooperation from heap_tuple_needs_freeze in order to work at all, for one thing. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers