Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0WMe-0000lK-Eh for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2015 14:43:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0WMd-0000CU-S2 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2015 14:43:23 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0WMc-0000C4-Ub; Thu, 04 Jun 2015 14:43:23 +0000 Received: from tamriel.snowman.net ([2001:4830:167b::11]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z0WMZ-0001Dr-Bz; Thu, 04 Jun 2015 14:43:22 +0000 Received: by tamriel.snowman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 735005F7A8; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:43:17 -0400 From: Stephen Frost To: Josh Berkus Cc: Noah Misch , Bruce Momjian , Andres Freund , Robert Haas , Tom Lane , Magnus Hagander , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" , pgsql-core Subject: Re: [CORE] Restore-reliability mode Message-ID: <20150604144317.GT26667@tamriel.snowman.net> References: <20150529223321.GB6535@alap3.anarazel.de> <12510.1432958887@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20150530154559.GA25053@momjian.us> <20150530204727.GJ13944@alap3.anarazel.de> <20150531024845.GB13697@momjian.us> <20150603135049.GA74753@tornado.leadboat.com> <556F3798.6010707@agliodbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="31IHY+MhRxjVL5Cv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <556F3798.6010707@agliodbs.com> X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.snowman.net X-Operating-System: Linux/3.13.0-46-generic (x86_64) X-Uptime: 10:38:44 up 76 days, 20:27, 25 users, load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.05 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org --31IHY+MhRxjVL5Cv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Josh, * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote: > I would argue that if we delay 9.5 in order to do a 100% manual review > of code, without adding any new automated tests or other non-manual > tools for improving stability, then it's a waste of time; we might as > well just release the beta, and our users will find more issues than we > will. I am concerned that if we declare a cleanup period, especially in > the middle of the summer, all that will happen is that the project will > go to sleep for an extra three months. This is the exact same concern that I have. A delay just to have a delay is not useful. I completely agree that we need more automated testing, etc, though getting all of that set up and running could be done at any time too- there's no reason to wait, nor do I believe delaying 9.5 would make such automated testing appear. Thanks! Stephen --31IHY+MhRxjVL5Cv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVcGQFAAoJEO1sijiDR2RV8oQP/A/rue1etPEMuadJ2gjbvW70 YTkEOGXsm+w2DBu9UiZ872EIBqX2Ixsf+YOQLKKRfPqt63SvgabKLyXe23VaPm0o Cq+sn4KWnv29ecOWtaunI9a0yH/ijDJTUmYXRRv+5uu7kMvoPb04AkBdmTxxwCtZ MTNa0I5ZFxDQOXCDZDwsHAeFRfrbWLvjdEpUQ8aywiA90LwW00FnBKyGpAgSmXXr swsiSnU5vN/0DKCWvf/PNutaVFgjN1cQBr0gRl/XWe1HOtcgEdTLyy09/gsmyBsr taPHiEGy4odL44JUc8PsIdRofqla6XWoryKQb0Tmpx1oPMNIwuaI0ZaRvoN+9khv 2/aRS8Qhb2zySwe8tstjxeMNg69IF5Rq9/Jh2urR9MElBifU50+hmfnoQ+FN07WA MARyjlXBuR/BlDx5Jz5IiH2YBDfBs+xkmx0Sel2NyDwOBTsR4IjiFlgTwjWtigLs nIK10amY5VXGQ6U8e2tmnDWgqkGhMgCKxLpB2qna7hWLbs934FNWxQG56e1B+gF3 pcYk3SVT+JF4rW7lnUof9tm25Sfj4LOwSbkLweeoGn+NA4ThkJL05SMSPxRdI/97 kLUGs62IOFGAFAex8qIH21SbJQ1ufxnavvv6kJknih1CdacbCVhX3EWmrOe9siSo XYY+X5VBVR+0fdFhBw6j =yH08 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --31IHY+MhRxjVL5Cv--