Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1llB-0007HI-79 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:21:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1llA-0005vR-Hw for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:21:52 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1ll9-0005vH-IZ; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:21:51 +0000 Received: from smtprelay0229.b.hostedemail.com ([64.98.42.229] helo=smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1ll6-0003eZ-0L; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 01:21:50 +0000 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.248.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.248]) by smtprelay02.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877EBD3813; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:21:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 616C76686572726540616C76682E6E6F2D69702E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org, :::::::::::::::::::::::, RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:967:973:982:988:989:1260:1263:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1541:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2393:2525:2560:2563:2682:2685:2692:2693:2828:2859:2895:2901:2912:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3354:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4605:4659:5007:6119:6261:6742:7903:9025:9121:10004:10400:10848:11232:11256:11257:11658:11914:12043:12517:12519:12663:12740:13069:13161:13229:13311:13357:13618:13894:13895:14130:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-HE-Tag: men86_493780cf92f1a X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 3496 Received: from alvin.alvh.no-ip.org (unknown [201.220.244.201]) (Authenticated sender: alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org) by omf01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by alvin.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E95924627; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 00:07:31 -0300 (CLT) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 00:07:31 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: "Joshua D. Drake" Cc: Bruce Momjian , Simon Riggs , Josh Berkus , Noah Misch , Andres Freund , Robert Haas , Tom Lane , Stephen Frost , Magnus Hagander , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" , pgsql-core Subject: Re: [CORE] Restore-reliability mode Message-ID: <20150607030731.GD133018@postgresql.org> References: <20150530204727.GJ13944@alap3.anarazel.de> <20150531024845.GB13697@momjian.us> <20150603135049.GA74753@tornado.leadboat.com> <556F3798.6010707@agliodbs.com> <20150605150514.GA25537@momjian.us> <20150606030708.GA31950@momjian.us> <5573261E.6070500@commandprompt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5573261E.6070500@commandprompt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Pg-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On 06/05/2015 08:07 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > >> From my side, it is only recently I got some clear answers to my questions > >>about how it worked. I think it is very important that major features have > >>extensive README type documentation with them so the underlying principles used > >>in the development are clear. I would define the measure of a good feature as > >>whether another committer can read the code comments and get a good feel. A bad > >>feature is one where committers walk away from it, saying I don't really get it > >>and I can't read an explanation of why it does that. Tom's most significant > >>contribution is his long descriptive comments on what the problem is that need > >>to be solved, the options and the method chosen. Clarity of thought is what > >>solves bugs. > > > >Yes, I think we should have done that early-on for multi-xact, and I am > >hopeful we will learn to do that more often when complex features are > >implemented, or when we identify areas that are more complex than we > >thought. > > I see this idea of the README as very useful. There are far more people like > me in this community than Simon or Alvaro. I can test, I can break things, I > can script up a harness but I need to be understand HOW and the README would > help allow for that. There is a src/backend/access/README.tuplock that attempts to describe multixacts. Is that not sufficient? Now that I think about it, this file hasn't been updated with the latest changes, so it's probably a bit outdated now. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers