Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1wer-0006yS-6Y for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:00:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1wep-0002pf-Qh for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:00:03 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1weg-0002bY-S6 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:59:55 +0000 Received: from d.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.50]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z1wed-0008HU-QV for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:59:53 +0000 Received: from engels (173-228-38-46.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [173.228.38.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t58Cxfiv006840 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 Jun 2015 05:59:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 05:59:50 -0700 From: David Gould To: Jeff Janes Cc: Geoff Winkless , Pg Hackers Subject: Re: [CORE] Restore-reliability mode Message-ID: <20150608055950.4435a734@engels> In-Reply-To: References: <20150603135049.GA74753@tornado.leadboat.com> <556F3798.6010707@agliodbs.com> <20150605162012.GQ133018@postgresql.org> <1433586450.6239.20.camel@gunduz.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVZCn4x34Xsp7YsspyFuAkBA7tAWUORu9P/GbLpjoqBYeybn49RwgLENN2Gzp3ZbvagrAOuPSfwFk7IBMBW9qIFu X-Sonic-ID: C;8PRYOt4N5RGvAjDDQUxNRQ== M;+o2rOt4N5RGvAjDDQUxNRQ== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd X-Pg-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org I think Alphas are valuable and useful and even more so if they have release notes. For example, some of my clients are capable of fetching sources and building from scratch and filing bug reports and are often interested in particular new features. They even have staging infrastructure that could test new postgres releases with real applications. But they don't do it. They also don't follow -hackers, they don't track git, and they don't have any easy way to tell if if the new feature they are interested in is actually complete and ready to test at any particular time. A lot of features are developed in multiple commits over a period of time and they see no point in testing until at least most of the feature is complete and expected to work. But it is not obvious from outside when that happens for any given feature. For my clients the value of Alpha releases would mainly be the release notes, or some other mark in the sand that says "As of Alpha-3 feature X is included and expected to mostly work." -dg -- David Gould daveg@sonic.net If simplicity worked, the world would be overrun with insects. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers