Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dat9G-0003T8-8l for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 00:28:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dat9E-0007LS-GL for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 00:28:56 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dat7i-0004ba-Nm for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 00:27:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pg0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c05::234]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dat7e-0004XB-Pc for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 00:27:20 +0000 Received: by mail-pg0-x234.google.com with SMTP id y129so104117511pgy.4 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bowt-ie.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=cJFu6RLuw8Q9NIScNiEl5X3ggnTpH1ErB1PtoMdcqwM=; b=od2SBkt9pC0pX/q9oBLlo1/Ii/fdP+BVHgGWsVnZeXmhAActd1ZxHc1/J5t8rzxeSW uW4NzpmWs+zYhC59CZv1lgeh7165ata1c4LRkPqOn3q2ovrErh20Qk8Mog/5dDq9pfvM VmbNnbd2HVREJ5FUWSvM3RiaQHXmPN6VgL3TfPdk0co7RxISkEL6sxP09OmOop3Aeq03 bLoCwREm/fNU8nL2QSyNfiZ59Pk5DxULzVZzfTelgkS+NTo0B93wwF6G/0dJ/TrwGjUA FBgA86I6zdBqL/ehyIUhexO/FkLVd5Hy1MJFL0CrNuxWQc4GTsAQovCe9pr4hjrAbG+y UbsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=cJFu6RLuw8Q9NIScNiEl5X3ggnTpH1ErB1PtoMdcqwM=; b=LykAPNILrwavxT7mY3ki3w5RMHN5mD3upgURmsdSckSYipypiIVxerD4WlBSJ8Bl6W HOzY9WlAgYsjvEUgwggrlwB+oBvFqPctydWlkOIJEiG7GcL7/rZ9r3VZPjFlJHaBTmOi z+pjz4eEJ6RIrq6dO8q9ov7PvgQVSQddhzMY9+Aux+SkpdL/gL/tyKMRvFzbMRkUY33t cmd3QFAjPxLkKZQ+4eNQXHaqY1mOcmttgYKnpOWxV4L818swNHcwbArifYeyaR+qzHjY 0xF06IiIz+6dnSRtJEo1hIzARnAnGaTuNCwSgr+hhnM6NbVx+ASmEzpAlKJQ4rJnpNHF v8PQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw111LdYHRt1/eNCwNuwnRsVtY8HnCxDz3UEmtN1+Nne9qlgg7JqLG e9JInY+rTVYqAHE/ X-Received: by 10.98.163.203 with SMTP id q72mr5699475pfl.97.1501201636961; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marmot ([162.217.72.7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c64sm3090314pfj.91.2017.07.27.17.27.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:27:14 -0700 From: Peter Geoghegan To: Pavan Deolasee Cc: Robert Haas , Jaime Casanova , Amit Kapila , Alvaro Herrera , Bruce Momjian , Haribabu Kommi , Tomas Vondra , pgsql-hackers Subject: Re: Patch: Write Amplification Reduction Method (WARM) Message-ID: <20170728002712.GA301@marmot> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org Pavan Deolasee wrote: > I'll be happy if someone wants to continue hacking the patch further and > get it in a committable shape. I can stay actively involved. But TBH the > amount of time I can invest is far as compared to what I could during the > last cycle. That's disappointing. I personally find it very difficult to assess something like this. The problem is that even if you can demonstrate that the patch is strictly better than what we have today, the risk of reaching a local maxima exists. Do we really want to double-down on HOT? If I'm not mistaken, the goal of WARM is, roughly speaking, to make updates that would not be HOT-safe today do a "partial HOT update". My concern with that idea is that it doesn't do much for the worst case. -- Peter Geoghegan -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers