Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIWp-0002F7-UG for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:12:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIWl-0005oj-Ij for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:12:07 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIWl-0005oc-Bi for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:12:07 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIWj-0000yx-44 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:12:06 +0000 Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIWi-0004XU-76; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:12:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:12:04 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Noah Misch Cc: PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: PG 13 release notes, first draft Message-ID: <20200512001204.GF4666@momjian.us> References: <20200505031600.GB21752@momjian.us> <20200506063910.GA515983@rfd.leadboat.com> <20200506234025.GC3649@momjian.us> <20200507052057.GB541283@rfd.leadboat.com> <20200507133834.GJ3649@momjian.us> <20200508042202.GA563018@rfd.leadboat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200508042202.GA563018@rfd.leadboat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 09:22:02PM -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 09:38:34AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > - Crash recovery was losing tuples written via COPY TO. This fixes the bug. > > > > > > > > This was not backpatched? > > > > > > Right. > > > > Oh. So you are saying we could lose COPY data on a crash, even after a > > commit. That seems bad. Can you show me the commit info? I can't find > > it. > > commit c6b9204 > Author: Noah Misch > AuthorDate: Sat Apr 4 12:25:34 2020 -0700 > Commit: Noah Misch > CommitDate: Sat Apr 4 12:25:34 2020 -0700 > > Skip WAL for new relfilenodes, under wal_level=minimal. > > Until now, only selected bulk operations (e.g. COPY) did this. If a > given relfilenode received both a WAL-skipping COPY and a WAL-logged > operation (e.g. INSERT), recovery could lose tuples from the COPY. See > src/backend/access/transam/README section "Skipping WAL for New > RelFileNode" for the new coding rules. Maintainers of table access > methods should examine that section. OK, so how do we want to document this? Do I mention in the text below the WAL skipping item that this fixes a bug where a mix of simultaneous COPY and INSERT into a table could lose rows during crash recovery, or create a new item? -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EnterpriseDB https://enterprisedb.com + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + + Ancient Roman grave inscription +