Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIsz-00033y-Ag for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:35:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIsy-0001HY-7V for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:35:04 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIsy-0001HR-0V for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:35:04 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-x743.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::743]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYIsv-0005go-B2 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:35:03 +0000 Received: by mail-qk1-x743.google.com with SMTP id q7so11950502qkf.3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:35:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=2ndquadrant-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Vj17ToyMdL+hTvGvtSXLV3t6ne+wJryrFAvmxfis6RQ=; b=1qUd5dY9Hqk9xF8iOSKBHbthVrJwXS4jp01CUXK0nNq0Uqf2l3A2DqbouGmfU57MB4 5Xo0vWB7seSAQEyiToe+pAOavL7NOEkKaavJE5wF0Y++Ws44aECTJkzAsuUTwUTUwsnH WnILPvOeM6oltq05QxzT3nrjsD1lbRjoaaMynXW9pFSuES0sP0BEEpT0UrquPz0MuXDr USTIJg2I3CKYf8SIeWf9HAN7suE6a4yVywCzjZF54fNkoiN9KheUBCuqNdbW62CqGbLn I0sWcXiVylzRsyzEg7EEqkLYicm8fKZkpoS514mJ1TQUKSitIaYi+7HFG8WszHFA9mYR 32bQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=Vj17ToyMdL+hTvGvtSXLV3t6ne+wJryrFAvmxfis6RQ=; b=K+ERYDwdTs8703uXXWw1wQqJL9T/6y/FZeDxcc1H88XGIUDJ6LxlXR17e67ogIrG4V TIwwuEVv+D7IQbYZ57DHR/AuyqIUQikPOh+PBGPqymHdM9wz2rT5FEYZD1ZpYUCBLUjk hG6x4DGDlT6GDz1vm9DMFq2uOnlwsGAIZASFDKdaNA3LgCzmGx2pWqAl0mOXIyrrGM0Z IVE4b82Jvs7aT5YTnUQ0+T+Athbdi0sWR9p1fAqAbSlBDiZsHhDkkUPvKCud/XqEvGFQ Oyt6BgCD/V5ua7U5ZLWrSaR6uCyVwuC6ADtrQv6/sqiiBl72Q5/57eBowsm5GpQnGBhM DFxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaDZ8jg/G14cEAJ0WvFMNhfjtvoORnqrnRjo7jgSFJatPdX/apK EWoaAGG+WbsO3HqrvvgTMjzBeg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ/wLinv2huphdgyPu7uj628AORspE2t34pz3vlCGtBQ47yNVqjttGghRCxmu2Q2VP1fRTa+Q== X-Received: by 2002:a37:a2ca:: with SMTP id l193mr16883604qke.23.1589243700039; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimloth.alvh.no-ip.org ([190.95.18.252]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m59sm10659139qtd.46.2020.05.11.17.34.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 11 May 2020 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nimloth.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 664713002F7; Mon, 11 May 2020 20:34:56 -0400 (-04) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:34:56 -0400 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Bruce Momjian Cc: Fabien COELHO , Tom Lane , PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: PG 13 release notes, first draft Message-ID: <20200512003456.GA29166@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200512001744.GH4666@momjian.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 2020-May-11, Bruce Momjian wrote: > We have long discussed how much of the release notes is to reward > behavior, and we have settled on having the names on the items, and the > Acknowledgments section at the bottom. Yes, we had to touch the source code in order to add documentation; but so what? Everything touches the source code, but that doesn't mean it should be listed there. I don't see what's the problem with having a new subsection in the relnotes entitled "Documentation" where these two items appears (glossary + new doc table format) are listed. It's not like it's going to cost us a lot of space or anything. I don't think there is any circularity argument BTW -- we're not going to document that we added release notes. And changing the table format is not entirely pointless, given that we've historically had trouble with these tables (read: they're totally unusable in PDF). -- Álvaro Herrera https://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services