Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljpO7-0006Y1-VT for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 20:35:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljpO5-0007ya-4m for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 20:35:21 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljpO4-0007yR-89 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 20:35:20 +0000 Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljpNx-0005qu-N2 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 20:35:19 +0000 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC4E11F5; Thu, 20 May 2021 16:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 20 May 2021 16:35:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:subject:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; bh=Q2uC84RS8qa/MnLGW6kQ4mnh0KnucoKp2yBad8EAfe0=; b=oMsbJn8B s3jkXJjqmSQ+3LyS/37ulTaYQ9h1efAHGwunuW0ItDvghbeIz2ylCuosJfbylH7a hBmNDq/rUCV9dNa8H23hrGI6Bk1cUaTal6XroEW/GaudXEIhbgbArbtFthGdlBBu 33iaavj410jTu6Kto576JW0YIHvk9+tJx3MJcBqsF/rT23cCWOti/oDCC7YP15s2 Xsn/V1QXkP4qWAuZEfntkgz2bx6NAo3lmKmc+95e9q/cn+5k2BUWb9hfvlrWs175 8ebZNcvwAZ7DWjMGdRsDGtHnDqrb2RvzIxxOTSWqZF5PlP5pTWCYzWunvrGXV3Ca J0t2K++1UYMNig== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrvdejuddgudehvdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpeffhffvuffkgggtugfgjggfsehtkeertddtredunecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhv rghrohcujfgvrhhrvghrrgcuoegrlhhvhhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorh hgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeufffhjeeiueeuffegvddukeegledtveeivdeiueef ieeivefgteehueefteehvdenucfkphepudeltddrleehrdduledrleehnecuvehluhhsth gvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegr lhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (unknown [190.95.19.95]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 20 May 2021 16:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 133FF2A0AA6; Thu, 20 May 2021 16:35:07 -0400 (-04) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 16:35:07 -0400 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Bruce Momjian Cc: Justin Pryzby , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: PG 14 release notes, first draft Message-ID: <20210520203507.GA21233@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20210520195902.GE8971@momjian.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2021-May-20, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 02:55:18PM -0500, Justin Pryzby wrote: > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > | Reduce the default value of vacuum_cost_page_miss (Peter Geoghegan) > > > > | This new default better reflects current hardware capabilities. > > > > Also say: the previous default was 10. > > > > > > Uh, we didn't report the new value, so why report the old one? > > > > Good point. > > For symmetry with this one, maybe the old and new values should be included? > > Not sure. Those values are kind of hard to understand, so I am afraid > there would be more confusion by mentioning them. > > > |Change checkpoint_completion_target default to 0.9 (Stephen Frost) > > |The previous default was 0.5. > > Uh, that one is frequently modified by users, to an extent I didn't > understand why we kept it at 0.5 for so long, which is why I mentioned > it. You also mentioned 'md5' in the entry about password_encryption, remember? I tend to agree with Justin: if it's not too much extra space to mention both values, let's just do that. "Reduce the value of X to Y from Z. The new default better reflects ..." seems OK to me. I prefer "to Y from Z" rather than "from Z to Y", because then the new value appears first, which seems a tiny improvement in readability, though the phrase is in the opposite order of traditional. Also it seems better than "change value of X to Y. The previous default was Z" because it then becomes a little more verbose than really needed. But maybe that's OK too. -- Álvaro Herrera 39°49'30"S 73°17'W "La fuerza no está en los medios físicos sino que reside en una voluntad indomable" (Gandhi)