Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljsVc-0003PS-EJ for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 23:55:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljsV3-00052X-Dl for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 23:54:45 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljsV3-00052P-5t for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 23:54:45 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljsV0-0003m3-2r for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 20 May 2021 23:54:44 +0000 Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljsUv-0005Kb-CG; Thu, 20 May 2021 19:54:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 19:54:37 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Peter Geoghegan Cc: Alvaro Herrera , Justin Pryzby , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: PG 14 release notes, first draft Message-ID: <20210520235437.GG8971@momjian.us> References: <20210520195902.GE8971@momjian.us> <20210520203507.GA21233@alvherre.pgsql> <20210520213752.GF8971@momjian.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 04:19:50PM -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 2:37 PM Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I went with this text: > > > > Reduce the default value of > linkend="guc-vacuum-cost-page-miss"> from 10 milliseconds to 2 > > (Peter Geoghegan) > > > > I think with numbers, and the fact we are saying "decrease" havint them > > in the from/to order is best. If this was non-numeric, like to scram > > from md5, it would make more sense to use to/from. > > The point of this change was to make the cost of dirtying pages much > higher than everything else, since writes are in effect much more > expensive on modern hardware. Don't know if you need to say that. I think our text "This new default better reflects current hardware capabilities." is detailed enough. People can dig into the item to see what it does and how it adjusts costs. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com If only the physical world exists, free will is an illusion.