Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdiN-0004Tk-8U for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:49:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdi7-0002Uk-N6 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:49:39 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdi7-0002Uc-FH for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:49:39 +0000 Received: from new4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.230]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdi4-0004uB-OV for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:49:39 +0000 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCA3580D37; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:49:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:subject:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=5P3RFIDspbk/kWT4LlqGIuIQPFv41yH/76J3b+VBrC8=; b=wckttAYS Aav3WQTN78fWaG06SsNdi1eg49Yx5AyRN8KySOTGuL+XFvqHiDn+3W/UyMn1k1U7 AYbrSgWe5d/vrGWfeRPr602e5rphoxM1bl6niQaU8yioeDMz2gh4pHKecJfmfvz1 Mjo52grDwdklTvuJW83AdUVeRYFiVawhc4r4mkuQHBEL020fqcnNUFYlIU1ccfqg XWRnBOE6b0Imc9P/cBL5Jg40CGVGqgmVA+hpq/KaHH9uGifcCUNlLw5p5sO7Wqjz Ri6kKU2m6KThFuO7QG8Hu211OQKv62wvQ/d8iojIa/2J+ch/WFPA0ES+sQOsPyv/ p+G4fyKKTGBDOQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudekvddgudduhecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpeffhffvuffkgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlvhgr rhhoucfjvghrrhgvrhgruceorghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepudejveejffejveduudetvdekieeuiedtvdeileefkeev jedufeeguedvjefhueelnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvnhhtvghrphhrihhsvggusgdrtghomh enucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhv hhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 031182A06AB; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:49:32 -0300 (-03) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:49:31 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Robert Haas Cc: Nitin Jadhav , Justin Pryzby , Michael Paquier , Bharath Rupireddy , Tom Lane , Andres Freund , Stephen Frost , Magnus Hagander , Thomas Munro , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: when the startup process doesn't (logging startup delays) Message-ID: <202109291749.ejyaab7wazx7@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2021-Sep-29, Robert Haas wrote: > Well, this was my suggestion, because if you don't do this, you get > drift, which I think looks weird. Like the timestamps will be: > > 13:41:05.012456 > 13:41:15.072484 > 13:41:25.149632 > > ...and it gets further and further off as it goes on.' Right ... I actually *expect* this drift to occur. Maybe people generally don't like this, it just seems natural to me. Are there other opinions on this aspect? -- Álvaro Herrera 39°49'30"S 73°17'W — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/ "Nadie está tan esclavizado como el que se cree libre no siéndolo" (Goethe)