Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlF-0004aa-Lu for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:52:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlE-0005Jc-Jz for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:52:52 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlE-0005JU-CT for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:52:52 +0000 Received: from new4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.230]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlB-0004wv-FI for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:52:52 +0000 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55731580D37; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:52:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:subject:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=yPRK1LeLHB6p2LhW5rmqJShDljCBTLlNdKLcD1yj28k=; b=G9Rn1KkQ TyuAiJpu+aPRbaSTrqtiTUunjbzHLgIVnyfW+PvXB+DEaYZswefOXJMBFZl16PCB tuTacviKFCcmBO6QjzZyVBpAHEI8IAq+HW6tAmJ+KalqVei+5QMzHVdzPlM8K943 FA0ovVfjD4y045RnmJJUXi/8b8IDhFQi9KAIrY0d79biM2r9AEuM7WJxLoh8Au6O 3aS6dPQimBLy4qvd4Ec7smaZG8OL+jHo4WOTHuxawT56/vBHpHAx1KImAqRYS915 hdefxhcdtM0a8mdphL/wralrAFRIhEbkQP04K6IrSW/dV6Wo7OFi7kZ/2dbXcGWO pX/C2n5d6WIlhg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudekvddgudduiecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpeffhffvuffkgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlvhgr rhhoucfjvghrrhgvrhgruceorghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepheetgeehgefhudeggeeileeftdelgfetleeludetudfg gfettdevveehgfevgeeunecuffhomhgrihhnpehpohhsthhgrhgvshhqlhdrohhrghdpvg hnthgvrhhprhhishgvuggsrdgtohhmpdhhrghtvghsqdhsohhfthifrghrvgdrtghomhen ucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhvhh gvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C1BA2A06AB; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:52:46 -0300 (-03) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:52:46 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Justin Pryzby Cc: Nitin Jadhav , Robert Haas , Michael Paquier , Bharath Rupireddy , Tom Lane , Andres Freund , Stephen Frost , Magnus Hagander , Thomas Munro , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: when the startup process doesn't (logging startup delays) Message-ID: <202109291752.czuv2a3bedbt@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20210929174530.GK831@telsasoft.com> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2021-Sep-29, Justin Pryzby wrote: > Robert requested the current behavior here. > https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CA%2BTgmoYkS1ZeWdSMFMBecMNxWonHk6J5eoX4FEQrpKtvEbXqGQ%40mail.gmail.com > > It's confusing (at least) to get these kind of requests to change the behavior > back and forth. Well, I did scan the thread to see if this had been discussed, and I overlooked that message. But there was no reply to that message, so it's not clear whether this was just Robert's opinion or consensus; in fact we now have exactly two votes on it (mine and Robert's). I think one person casting an opinion on one aspect does not set that aspect in stone. -- Álvaro Herrera PostgreSQL Developer — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/ "It takes less than 2 seconds to get to 78% complete; that's a good sign. A few seconds later it's at 90%, but it seems to have stuck there. Did somebody make percentages logarithmic while I wasn't looking?" http://smylers.hates-software.com/2005/09/08/1995c749.html