Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNJtf-0001uK-Ex for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:35:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNJte-0006HV-Af for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:35:26 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNJtd-0006HG-UD for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:35:26 +0000 Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNJtb-0002vc-0o for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:35:24 +0000 Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id y5so2533733ill.13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:35:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telsasoft-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=nWEwSKklu4n/u6F8Z4nDppBIXnFSydDWomb04QImLi4=; b=TJ/jOld2ixWLwr+Ci6gUEFW7naRzD/uiU4ziSeGV50A/+PoEbefMrV4ngQXTpaX9Cl 5hCOj1xgRMMfsUlLrizvtwDMuOK5XplX0rE0t2OeHSTt9pONcuFh2/GLEVRO/0ThEyPE +nGMB7wqxVGASmH8p8IH7tmRWq+fZQRafGrvllbVDEfM//gUD9ykxMGb1O/prgKaLJOT 7kE/lhndj9ZdjLw+eH2lyUh+nxeEKLd6uycVjDZFNgnGUvPEaHfKTvfhYwFeIDrgv/s2 +hx2FqR4l43DyMCEiYrVuA5XIp/yCRBb3gNs8h3/rs2Fftjknptkehy1Dr3irOApvFXd AV3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=nWEwSKklu4n/u6F8Z4nDppBIXnFSydDWomb04QImLi4=; b=qG2RX1K2pk+ZYKEgJlROSwcfiMixKy8kw5gWJaAhD3IBg6i2zAiZdpsybpyfoICXUb x/RAhvFrmV8qSpN1NTl0xlv+B1knAvk8L7DS78c6qEWgswLzk54S+o6EF5uRM9KdfjBw 3jQ3eERQw+aP3lGEBbU4Zs/PHGcwOWNpnBeXQ4ZSyOqG6B6bg+JbDKn8kAfVIYxKdree shaGnrf8CWyy6NdcZj3nUJcNaIcaGlQLTn5Dr+TA7MpXRHytG/biirgwBybhm0KdPzAA mw/tgV06r7NqQ2b7lenbHEOjTFyyaxb4hG+ALw7L9Uk/LbzgPhJt8CbTPeNnmVucDdek rhbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532N79EoBPRvSvx2V0eI13IYFCXjwelFtFPvvlmVBxCrUgGmwOsV SAthwTxYPSz72MkaSGmcGA8FHw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyGWf1axDQKUuKknjdiKp57DqtuE4tLxQnlWJq3GW0TT0jb5QwV3GUhUHCBdTy0H+1kIlPQqw== X-Received: by 2002:a92:c041:0:b0:2ba:a54e:5d25 with SMTP id o1-20020a92c041000000b002baa54e5d25mr3260073ilf.70.1645731321764; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pryzbyj.telsasoft (charmander.telsasoft.com. [50.244.222.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a1-20020a92d101000000b002c28e4c8d76sm285691ilb.34.2022.02.24.11.35.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by pryzbyj.telsasoft (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 83C6980076A; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 13:35:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 13:35:20 -0600 From: Justin Pryzby To: Jaime Casanova Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Alvaro Herrera Subject: Re: document that brin's autosummarize parameter is off by default Message-ID: <20220224193520.GY9008@telsasoft.com> References: <20210406040254.GB2768@ahch-to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210406040254.GB2768@ahch-to> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Ten months ago, Jaime Casanova wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just noted that the default value of autosummarize reloption for brin > indexes is not documented, or at least not well documented. > > I added the default value in create_index.sgml where other options > mention their own defaults, also made a little change in brin.sgml to > make it more clear that is disabled by default (at least the way it > was written made no sense for me, but it could be that my english is > not that good). It seems like "This last trigger" in the current text is intended to mean "The second condition". Your change improves that. Should we also consider enabling autosummarize by default ? It was added in v10, after BRIN was added in v9.5. For us, brin wasn't usable without autosummarize. Also, note that vacuums are now triggered by insertions, since v13, so it might be that autosummarize is needed much less. -- Justin PS. I hope there's a faster response to your pg_upgrade patch.