Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0Ql9-0006Vr-CT for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:20:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0Ql8-0004Vb-9t for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:20:34 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0Ql7-0004VF-8r for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:20:34 +0000 Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.25]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0Ql4-0001ax-5U for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:20:32 +0000 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC803200941; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:20:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1669828826; x=1669915226; bh=Y 4O5Kj6rFWpBNcMkar+TSDOpHX+hgTtKN3EUocbxpQo=; b=ueqDPV/W5OeOqn/X/ +8TvG/MoAz4jqAwA456Q2A7VJ05aBj9cAft/QeBop2t65l/Zwzw9W7J5AcCxdkg6 aRQ3D/5JrEtPNiv5Yj4LJda7W+hYozCG9sNoTI+iX4T/aJLrJyiSpQypBNbGO4+N mMHDTzKw9wcdx3kKj7aF9usNWO2tfefk0nIa/vspBbZmxYdMZGyRaf3DW3/UjdxY 79c1itpJQ66XtyITZLTp/KV7IwL8cWiCUcTLDijP1Say3VXu0JclMhf2hIAWDla1 xf8hffOtZA9+RFnHs6UHUy9OIP9M74r4XDCFIkMi+Tsq/iYqVWu1wEcJvahWxLaR QFd5A== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrtdefgdelkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpeffhffvvefukfggtggugfgjsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhvrghr ohcujfgvrhhrvghrrgcuoegrlhhvhhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhgqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedvkedtffduffdtffffheffhfejjefhgfeiueeukeejkeff gfdufffhudffffeuveenucffohhmrghinhepvghnthgvrhhprhhishgvuggsrdgtohhmne cuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghlvhhh vghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 381DBE98; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:20:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:20:22 +0100 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Bruce Momjian Cc: Peter Eisentraut , Laurenz Albe , Simon Riggs , Robert Treat , Erik Rijkers , Justin Pryzby , PostgreSQL Hackers Subject: Re: New docs chapter on Transaction Management and related changes Message-ID: <20221130172022.yxtohqbzvosa4f7g@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2022-Nov-30, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 07:33:44AM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > On 30.11.22 02:51, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Patch applied back to PG 11. Thanks to Simon for getting this important > > > information in our docs, and for the valuable feedback from others that > > > made this even better. > > > > I request that the backpatching of this be reverted. We don't want to have > > major chapter numbers in the documentation changing between minor releases. > > Uh, how do others feel about this? I wanted to get this information to > all our supported releases as soon as possible, rather than waiting for > PG 16 and for people to upgrade. I find it a bit shocking to have had it backpatched, even to 15 -- a whole chapter in the documentation? I don't see why it wouldn't be treated like any other "major feature" patch, which we only consider for the development branch. Also, this is a first cut -- presumably we'll want to copy-edit it before it becomes released material. Now, keep in mind that not having it backpatched does not mean that it is invisible to users. It is definitely visible, if they use the doc URL with /devel/ in it. And this information has been missing for 20+ years, how come it is so urgent to have it everywhere now? I agree that it should be reverted from all branches other than master. -- Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/