Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pOz42-0003aF-Gp for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:49:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pOz41-0005AD-96 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:49:33 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pOz41-0005A4-0N for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:49:33 +0000 Received: from wnew2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.27]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pOz3y-0004gN-MK for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:49:32 +0000 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailnew.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0B22B067E1; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 05:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 06 Feb 2023 05:49:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1675680567; x=1675687767; bh=i C99y7IxRxyXmXoz2QSZPIPORGxMZTbdl1PrWLEIKvI=; b=nmi2BlGo73txpXutB n0u8bMYx3wcPJZE80xdMBO171a7jf/dynUNTCTUfEv2jOs9QK/IRI/PCTflfCncy zuTB2HSxiH4rCg6gJmMk0JkaKFqYRTB1W+TEcoUC4+hSbei065pkcE8eS/U8MaFP ZVM+Pi2t+7GqvrLOFz++B3H/iIH+k6JNVBCSROgPVcQRrYAnWPY3GliUYBEb+K/f drDf98UnZU/k1XIYsHau+5vddVAowzvQZr/S9Yo2HBJzhJHVXkkbfr0dY8c+7QcI YvSBw1BpEp4hVYzsnqNzqVQMgAi/z3bY7GPdiXNF0I/ON91XY/mYmNBmNws4FxS6 WYS/g== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrudegiedgudekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlvhgr rhhoucfjvghrrhgvrhgruceorghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdektdffudfftdffffehfffhjeejhffgieeuueekjeek fffgudffhfduffffueevnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvnhhtvghrphhrihhsvggusgdrtghomh enucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhv hhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 05:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54EB89D; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 11:49:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 11:49:17 +0100 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Nikita Malakhov Cc: vignesh C , Aleksander Alekseev , pgsql-hackers , Jacob Champion , Andres Freund , Matthias van de Meent , Robert Haas , Greg Stark , Teodor Sigaev Subject: Re: Pluggable toaster Message-ID: <20230206104917.sipa7nzue5lw2e6z@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2023-Feb-06, Nikita Malakhov wrote: > Currently we're busy revising the whole Pluggable TOAST API to make it > available as an extension and based on hooks to minimize changes in > the core. It will be available soon. Hmm, I'm not sure why would PGDG want to accept such a thing. I read "minimize changes" as "open source Postgres can keep their crap implementation and companies will offer good ones for a fee". I'd rather have something that can give users direct benefit -- not hide it behind proprietary licenses forcing each company to implement their own performant toaster. -- Álvaro Herrera 48°01'N 7°57'E — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/