Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pwIfa-00054U-6J for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 08:26:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pwIfY-0006oY-Pu for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 08:26:00 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pwIfY-0006oO-H1 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 08:26:00 +0000 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pwIfV-001Lwk-9k for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 09 May 2023 08:25:59 +0000 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021335C00B1; Tue, 9 May 2023 04:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 09 May 2023 04:25:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1683620755; x= 1683707155; bh=Rm8d8K/njr0dUjEQLL/9iOM+BGJFBaB/mzxQMink9b8=; b=T 1QU4BI5Rh1yy5x9H+0narF8td1srMZcT31HEjUh9sHDhDF0PNijfPpdrkHE9otTX tGmpVb2T+buOb0/WQ5Is1y7pVwq2uEHnnnGxUB/HTGOgYvOR7kJC8WKmn/dMbwWo m13xvZbrXfcxquAcgYZBwrGJqUFE3MJcqQfBJTsZAC022ro6gWmjhjhGcwbOUGfz qpgM26BmdSSB2aIyYu9nlU3yFrb4EqW3HEhwjz1n9Lua1eI/sndtP+h90TR+hn8n hbdixTd9zcSoEadmhm+av0s6cRojW5T0SEzebeoZUF8QJDOt+STnzJvG6LOia9ch p5gLHKta50d8VL1Tq5MqA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeegtddgtddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlvhgr rhhoucfjvghrrhgvrhgruceorghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdektdffudfftdffffehfffhjeejhffgieeuueekjeek fffgudffhfduffffueevnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvnhhtvghrphhrihhsvggusgdrtghomh enucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhv hhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 9 May 2023 04:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 777E0149; Tue, 9 May 2023 10:25:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 10:25:53 +0200 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: Sandro Santilli , Tom Lane , Regina Obe , pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org, Jeff Davis Subject: Re: Order changes in PG16 since ICU introduction Message-ID: <20230509082553.yjikrxn54mi6hezc@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <696054d1-bc88-b6ab-129a-18b8bce6a6f0@enterprisedb.com> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2023-Apr-24, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > The GUC settings lc_collate and lc_ctype are from a time when those locale > settings were cluster-global. When we made those locale settings > per-database (PG 8.4), we kept them as read-only. As of PG 15, you can use > ICU as the per-database locale provider, so what is being attempted in the > above example is already meaningless before PG 16, since you need to look > into pg_database to find out what is really happening. > > I think we should just remove the GUC parameters lc_collate and lc_ctype. I agree with removing these in v16, since they are going to become more meaningless and confusing. -- Álvaro Herrera 48°01'N 7°57'E — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/