Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qNssC-006F3F-SO for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qNssB-009Prk-A7 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:03 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qNssA-009Prc-8M for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:03 +0000 Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.20]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qNss6-001CuR-Q3 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:33:01 +0000 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C753200034; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 06:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 24 Jul 2023 06:32:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1690194775; x= 1690281175; bh=wG773f3+Liy4Opusj121duBMgzmisPvYjzpPNSVMf3E=; b=1 Po469YLxODmT7iL+EXx7DFjsiLrKSatdLxsSWf5DDcXiaq6pA6sXCuy+0aAuiTDR 2skAKO8Gz6Yj/vzqpteAUwvLjPWqQNvfzKD7o8vbNg5m1qaUG6WKZpqhwdmy0gXK zXdDwTcIL9lDgCAEMh/tbvpIYcUQAiXHJdZUZbL4RoKChGpdisVB8pwCtSQD6RuO 85CWI6IDKrfxlKp+WZqkv/8JQhgP3H7JTgOjDKsqiuho3Xyq3zmTz3z39VHUGntc KiUpvW9glUoUIyAKAgTu/3HRVIuz1PmYN6RCvFwbKzq1410ay1+RYai3g55C8w9M dxFd8i/aV53heiwxVUTew== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedrheekgddvkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpeffhffvvefukfggtggugfgjsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhvrghr ohcujfgvrhhrvghrrgcuoegrlhhvhhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhgqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeuiefgffeukedtgfetueeugfetvdeuhefgheelfeehleej leefffejtddtkedvjeenucffohhmrghinhepphhoshhtghhrrdgvshdpvghnthgvrhhprh hishgvuggsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghi lhhfrhhomheprghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 06:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CF5AA0; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:32:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:32:53 +0200 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Dean Rasheed Cc: Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: cataloguing NOT NULL constraints Message-ID: <20230724103253.jukb27f7fnlnamdr@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2023-Jul-24, Dean Rasheed wrote: > Hmm, I don't particularly like that approach, because I think it will > be difficult to cram any additional details into the table, and also I > don't know whether having multiple not null constraints for a > particular column can be entirely ruled out. > > I may well be in the minority here, but I think the best way is to > list them in a separate footer section, in the same way as CHECK > constraints, allowing other constraint properties to be included. So > it might look something like: That's the first thing I proposed actually. I got one vote down from Robert Haas[1], but while the idea seems to have had support from Justin Pryzby (in \dt++) [2] and definitely did from Peter Eisentraut [3], I do not like it too much myself, mainly because the partition list has a very similar treatment and I find that one an annoyance. > and also I don't know whether having multiple not null constraints for > a particular column can be entirely ruled out. I had another look at the standard. In 11.26 () it says that "If [the constraint being removed] causes some column COL to be known not nullable and no other constraint causes COL to be known not nullable, then the nullability characteristic of the column descriptor of COL is changed to possibly nullable". Which supports the idea that there might be multiple such constraints. (However, we could also read this as meaning that the PK could be one such constraint while NOT NULL is another one.) However, 11.16 ( as part of 11.12 ), says that DROP NOT NULL causes the indication of the column as NOT NULL to be removed. This, to me, says that if you do have multiple such constraints, you'd better remove them all with that command. All in all, I lean towards allowing just one as best as we can. [1] https://postgr.es/m/CA+Tgmobnoxt83y1QesBNVArhFm-fLwWkDUyiV84e+psayDwB7A@mail.gmail.com [2] https://postgr.es/m/20230301223214.GC4268%40telsasoft.com [3] https://postgr.es/m/1c4f3755-2d10-cae9-647f-91a9f006410e%40enterprisedb.com -- Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/ “Cuando no hay humildad las personas se degradan” (A. Christie)