Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qTPfq-009Umh-4W for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 16:35:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qTPfn-00HV2x-FS for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 16:35:07 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qTPfn-00HV2c-6R for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 16:35:07 +0000 Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qTPfk-001JkA-R5 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 16:35:06 +0000 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677F9320092D; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 08 Aug 2023 12:35:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1691512500; x= 1691598900; bh=IUy84GZ3kVLhjKWQmQwNS10BovG9hkR3Q6QnB+JEvQk=; b=o YvWRoCUv/c7QBDbhIBEfOCIOz0ghQd2dlGpumZw9ReG55kvatX2RJftboLLfI9Eu F8tkYpiqPCc/7fJuhcsIigd5syZo+4K6dfeBsqp7796Oru2HsyzzbEEBAt35w3LM HOJhmtcruUQZscJm13SWnEQwry7zwImlkMDCLEhnU+h/Qf7DuJuzjtSHMVuLuIWm CNeKF7iAj1bV4sDNJNAphr5fZsFhoi7Y0CLDSihv2mH0SuJGbobjmNz8+q9A/ahC YaiZEOgAPt712sH70uhEGxKv6HvWRDQ/vULUn4Doe7Gbx6eSP/IlVX9u2yq6GvKM cohFH1CL0nKMdXt50oQ5w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedrledvgddutddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlvhgr rhhoucfjvghrrhgvrhgruceorghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdektdffudfftdffffehfffhjeejhffgieeuueekjeek fffgudffhfduffffueevnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvnhhtvghrphhrihhsvggusgdrtghomh enucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhv hhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 143B1EA; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:34:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:34:58 +0200 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Andres Freund Cc: Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Thomas Munro , Justin Pryzby Subject: Re: Cirrus-ci is lowering free CI cycles - what to do with cfbot, etc? Message-ID: <20230808163458.ydbbpovwgeddkf5n@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20230808151345.33u3ts6acu2h5xef@awork3.anarazel.de> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2023-Aug-08, Andres Freund wrote: > Given the cost of macos, it seems like it'd be by far the most of affordable > to just buy 1-2 mac minis (2x ~660USD) and stick them in a shelf somewhere, as > persistent runners. Cirrus has builtin macos virtualization support - but can > only host two VMs on each mac, due to macos licensing restrictions. A single > mac mini would suffice to keep up with our unoptimized monthly runtime > (although there likely would be some overhead). If using persistent workers is an option, maybe we should explore that. I think we could move all or some of the Linux - Debian builds to hardware that we already have in shelves (depending on how much compute power is really needed.) I think using other OSes is more difficult, mostly because I doubt we want to deal with licenses; but even FreeBSD might not be a realistic option, at least not in the short term. Still, > task_name | sum > ------------------------------------------------+------------ > FreeBSD - 13 - Meson | 1017:56:09 > Windows - Server 2019, MinGW64 - Meson | 00:00:00 > SanityCheck | 76:48:41 > macOS - Ventura - Meson | 873:12:43 > Windows - Server 2019, VS 2019 - Meson & ninja | 1251:08:06 > Linux - Debian Bullseye - Autoconf | 830:17:26 > Linux - Debian Bullseye - Meson | 860:37:21 > CompilerWarnings | 935:30:35 > (8 rows) > moving just Debian, that might alleviate 76+830+860+935 hours from the Cirrus infra, which is ~46%. Not bad. (How come Windows - Meson reports allballs?) -- Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/ "No tengo por qué estar de acuerdo con lo que pienso" (Carlos Caszeli)