Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtqwa-000KoG-Tb for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 15:30:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtqwZ-008c0g-SI for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 15:29:59 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtqwY-008c0Y-3p for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 15:29:59 +0000 Received: from fout4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([103.168.172.147]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtqwT-001ag0-Ha for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 15:29:57 +0000 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailfout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B782213801AF; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 08 Apr 2024 11:29:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anarazel.de; h= cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1712590190; x=1712676590; bh=Cpu9gd9FvvDmR3x4VcT+f2ZW4QW0ymLI+9gr505sDO4=; b= nt+X/hJltoBbTtybO1REW0AoQp9cJSjHujc2cpKxu3TXRpEy8XHYgXDlG3dY6tU7 yiPywQxVXzd+2peIg/CR/DmnGtqMnlrLeXGQsVrJ9J4209XPE3LDB7UNrhnIw1jv 99mUPyDUTyO/w5sNIaMXlk+ycfnu0J7iEs2PROAwpBtPJX+6FDbHWZBakZc4j4Wn T9MexecJfJqlpFYHSHxPNh+gYefsZjCafxI+fKFJI1dFDGtx7iKUtklNQATrLrXe IPgAgYzGNcdWyzaoZk3N0w7Sea+202XOtJbW41kDuNgx9X1RjOy/J4s+kP79QhPH ls7CjVhp1NQF6RxITqNjaQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1712590190; x= 1712676590; bh=Cpu9gd9FvvDmR3x4VcT+f2ZW4QW0ymLI+9gr505sDO4=; b=O V60VIBMMKaY6FPIzEpjQG5szzk0h8OewunhPPWCnNjMkBNnj6g7ZCHpe/mIIqFF1 wCW0DJZ9P7Geg5rZpnDT87vEsqBMBlYXqncKimnKhtowR29rm1kMxW6s1VYJ/xNa zwmXWcjruD5MIU5wMSz6ItgSw1ynwDj3DFv66h6vU94bYEAomCtNKjhfhxCCwlH9 tGn62jMeOvIudwBAwNa+Vfzr122b36KGJxefIRn1+1Uxg/2YtxN3RZIX8XXNx5aj B4c1jAcLtajhXWwz1pf79ejLEisUVxi3LAxwtIQgmTfwpL0gVpHSS+SbitKsFh0Y rxyBQBAvmr4yqCuxG7e4A== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrudegiedgkeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne gfrhhlucfvnfffucdlfeehmdenucfjughrpeffhffvvefukfhfgggtugfgjgesthekredt tddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehnughrvghsucfhrhgvuhhnugcuoegrnhgurhgvshesrghnrg hrrgiivghlrdguvgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhephfeitefgleevtedtffejvedujeek jedugfdtveffjeelvddtfeekgefgjefhgfegnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenuc frrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghnughrvghssegrnhgrrhgriigvlhdruggv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: id4a34324:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 08:29:48 -0700 From: Andres Freund To: Robert Haas Cc: Michael Paquier , David Rowley , Postgres hackers , Heikki Linnakangas Subject: Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Message-ID: <20240408152948.e4umvmkm46f7fhn7@awork3.anarazel.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Hi, On 2024-04-08 09:26:09 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 6:50 PM Michael Paquier wrote: > And maybe we need to think of a way to further mitigate this crush of > last minute commits. e.g. In the last week, you can't have more > feature commits, or more lines of insertions in your commits, than you > did in the prior 3 weeks combined. I don't know. I think this mad rush > of last-minute commits is bad for the project. I don't think it's very useful to paint a very broad brush here, unfortunately. Some will just polish commits until the last minute, until the the dot's on the i's really shine, others will continue picking up more CF entries until the freeze is reached, others will push half baked stuff. Of course there will be an increased commit rate, but it does looks like there was some stuff that looked somewhat rickety. Greetings, Andres