Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtrrj-000ROO-8o for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 16:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtrri-009mzf-Ej for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 16:29:02 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtrri-009mzX-2t for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 16:29:02 +0000 Received: from fout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([103.168.172.148]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rtrrf-001r0s-3X for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 16:29:00 +0000 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.48]) by mailfout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B84413801B2; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 08 Apr 2024 12:28:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1712593738; x= 1712680138; bh=CT2vS16PQVX4D452sWv2g95v9uAL3XNBvLguN5DGPmU=; b=M wx5yCcbQ2LNTaLebT4SjWPA6KztzNfk/2xTIdeBOLdlS721lW5wyuaCbhN0ILcPd vS/W2k/S6IVxgeDSKfvPhvQgySxXUKTooqZXSdaUF6mQuvtoaDq3hiPna4Wm/JdU DHUrZXIGozHoDW0fcVASmUkPH6Lh4TScjJe5e4j4IzEzVnkP4dBvu/+c4hTGZwwz rJqZB9tr51Xw2ayv7vuHWWdT47gpX9OOrdwISnOovGevaY+Enh3sz8c+dpU8YQrD ZnCFUnEBOr3XWIutvyqLX8GujxrxfZVPoJiqXUwlGlWtd73urCqTqk6ivTd3VVRh NquA4/0dEKAEdGAejN2+w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrudegiedguddttdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpeffhffvvefukfggtggugfgjsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhv rghrohcujfgvrhhrvghrrgcuoegrlhhvhhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorh hgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedvkedtffduffdtffffheffhfejjefhgfeiueeukeej keffgfdufffhudffffeuveenucffohhmrghinhepvghnthgvrhhprhhishgvuggsrdgtoh hmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghl vhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:28:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alvh.no-ip.org; s=schmee; t=1712592445; bh=3V86pgSKyCCvTa5GWUO+bxuBiCUlgOBHzW09ERuba7I=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:From; b=MG2mtSt7DehPAKS691yJRVP3Xb1ullbaModH6KlxxAVQzYeJOXI97On2kXXxY82C0 jNcyw0gSiof2dAaCIGjR4+AnEsdaD/mwRvJgfNejxfU1k3KgIZCs55U+oh+7N+bbnG Fs3/pscx2gl1RbxJAfoUDbJcazZbUGLFcimNUGu5aDyZaJVF1eY+19oGtSZsm9QNI0 R+8yJdZKSj1IyWKjwAoYY0ZtcaKDGYWRQZsaKRywOoyYejhHAUBcC2M0RfBIur3fZH BdC6TRlDUb6Ain75UNEexT04GhvlKsd3Xv52RWgm/h4qKZ14eG80x4+jqOuN/iLxCm RkJRigPA0TdFQ== Received: by schmee.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 223EE4D3; Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:07:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:07:25 +0200 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Robert Haas Cc: Michael Paquier , David Rowley , Postgres hackers , Heikki Linnakangas Subject: Re: PostgreSQL 17 Release Management Team & Feature Freeze Message-ID: <202404081607.tbumrn4qzia4@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2024-Apr-08, Robert Haas wrote: > And maybe we need to think of a way to further mitigate this crush of > last minute commits. e.g. In the last week, you can't have more > feature commits, or more lines of insertions in your commits, than you > did in the prior 3 weeks combined. I don't know. I think this mad rush > of last-minute commits is bad for the project. Another idea is to run a patch triage around mid March 15th, with the intention of punting patches to the next cycle early enough. But rather than considering each patch in its own merits, consider the responsible _committers_ and the load that they are reasonably expected to handle: determine which patches each committer deems his or her responsibility for the rest of that March commitfest, and punt all the rest. That way we have a reasonably vetted amount of effort that each committer is allowed to spend for the remainder of that commitfest. Excesses should be obvious enough and discouraged. -- Álvaro Herrera PostgreSQL Developer — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/