Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7AiP-0046Ch-FG for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 15 May 2024 09:14:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7AiP-00ClF6-Dj for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 15 May 2024 09:14:25 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7AiO-00ClEy-5d for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 15 May 2024 09:14:25 +0000 Received: from wfout8-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.151]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7AiJ-000L5J-N1 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 15 May 2024 09:14:23 +0000 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailfout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8A61C0011E; Wed, 15 May 2024 05:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 May 2024 05:14:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1715764457; x= 1715850857; bh=Od6O+pBZ5H6vT76d5wDGFMrVTfCL8a1SZiwcEeGjr6w=; b=O vwBK+by5lLpV4Sq9JV/p6j8dWmx5hYs+Ok0KdhCeVhKFlob6o0YbtXhJ5wS36oYV JKcdo3aGBr/+ryjU9fYljZC2N1FmyVJ+e26EaiCXg2ObPfMnj32FRArlWsMuxSfV BfzZpuavn63RzDNFnCxMqJ/VxTVW/G3XnTz4+fSFzLfNimp2eYLW+Uh6hd4e6tV/ 3tvElcU8MMMMddw7CDisBr2MKLlwTiCglgHNtkQ18/cRyu5Mymi/HpBwBRhBtwhu Fw4nx9Ol+VIs6azHEfXR0XDXvwkDcGv2EvEhq2QwsfxxAZQc2IqW/Qnw9seU2rxe D6Q2nVRMe1ydpxhvUuOoQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrvdegkedguddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlvhgr rhhoucfjvghrrhgvrhgruceorghlvhhhvghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdektdffudfftdffffehfffhjeejhffgieeuueekjeek fffgudffhfduffffueevnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvnhhtvghrphhrihhsvggusgdrtghomh enucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhv hhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 15 May 2024 05:14:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alvh.no-ip.org; s=schmee; t=1715764454; bh=WWQ/ZaGab1/BPKL70O5IgnV7eBDQAFTF4i1Z3w9LMFE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:From; b=qGws1O+oMv/ITS2R/n/mFEwcKK4PWJ3/TOYDlHsF0TQV+xrPwu8M+A45GeP3gMHQw GX+9IVqbAmM3ODmjdJzF/WqZwLPMf13/HFU7etwrkD2iKqvLvu9eRhqjgwhGQn+1WE zTmAmbIkCPWcvm+rw5VCmO2z9MB8LkptOXbwhn0qkG+0YG/y7uomXye7dOpJr5RqXZ +IiZTyDB8eqfTAEfcoI238PvGsU7+8yGbWeKGp023lhmjZqQfCZ6nn1nG1Ry7XCq5W mRciSpV196Vgle/59mjDKAlTJXI2l82MrHYadabMzGzSwnLlyGzr6fq6ujW7rMMMxD NKFzaS/dapl9Q== Received: by schmee.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9FE8010B; Wed, 15 May 2024 11:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 11:14:14 +0200 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Bharath Rupireddy Cc: Jeff Davis , Masahiko Sawada , PostgreSQL-development , Andres Freund , Dilip Kumar , Luc Vlaming , Justin Pryzby , Michael Paquier , Matthias van de Meent , Alexander Korotkov Subject: Re: Introduce new multi insert Table AM and improve performance of various SQL commands with it for Heap AM Message-ID: <202405150914.q2hc2cl2eqzf@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Sorry to interject, but -- On 2024-May-15, Bharath Rupireddy wrote: > It looks like with the use of the new multi insert table access method > (TAM) for COPY (v20-0005), pgbench regressed about 35% [1]. Where does this acronym "TAM" comes from for "table access method"? I find it thoroughly horrible and wish we didn't use it. What's wrong with using "table AM"? It's not that much longer, much clearer and reuses our well-established acronym AM. We don't use IAM anywhere, for example (it's always "index AM"), and I don't think we'd turn "sequence AM" into SAM either, would we? -- Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/