Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWdlz-00GP0I-0x for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:19:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWdlx-005eEy-Gv for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:19:21 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWdlx-005eEp-0G for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:19:21 +0000 Received: from mail-pf1-x42e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sWdlu-001DmB-0X for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:19:19 +0000 Received: by mail-pf1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-70d333d5890so2341621b3a.0 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leadboat.com; s=google; t=1721834357; x=1722439157; darn=postgresql.org; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6ixzmasuUzj/9MhSOWs+26EZmC61Ik7AQGa5YRZAQbU=; b=achmNx4CuqeBxMdMn7OKlgosoz0iKY5IEBVGu6jjrufxoWdPh8wr7Jsh6roXXePIYH m5SBRMqbBiOt+C9HIRBMqVM3aFlHCZns0IHm2sXNaOOXlvCs+538ETw9mZ7AGd6wsRcn kAlLaliwKSkXwkPXfN+BhKv1UQCfHKjWhlDA8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1721834357; x=1722439157; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=6ixzmasuUzj/9MhSOWs+26EZmC61Ik7AQGa5YRZAQbU=; b=bhD7fM6IXmHORXQ7o7tcDHEHwdz3CKLRHV87ZG9DjQRHHcCcP25JhaDRrnMt75lQZc 53zRmIGX861lJrYf/c/UFxZI49LRIjTNQaUHEZL9rXFvcTH265rE00UV+tm06LH1BqHE kLVXXhfYgY5sMS2LOQ+xPdz0lJn0snlgblqu57dh8BEG7rJYWWp4UxcM9GXNo38hFOI4 hdFMaFPhqz1XV+3yzNmaTS8aV5EfXhTFmpPtIgWizhkZ/lZpSARwQrNy3YXo653TO/nH HQEott05f9c4HO/kgJYcNK4glFdKEeEmboM4J6+ZcWnu+sfRK+JsNDG5gTZ21c6fKuzI 0ezQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywr1M3nlyVdfLSZqXYjUcrWRt1jKo/PTGiQ+lJR13yZ0JWDSB/i pEdAA1RIy/n6Q11TArRXHIuCBxBhxn3gI1cH6TXT/nSCiy4iT6GTf9LIypjGE1X3htDeUUq/s29 Rog== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHJqtwQZvkGjLYBavBmqDF9KSrQXN8+IBMmYRzbgj6ENgq46Tso9dt9NhujA8j6+N27DXvgbQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:c781:b0:1c2:8d91:634 with SMTP id adf61e73a8af0-1c473313477mr88990637.45.1721834356571; Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from google.com ([2600:1702:a20:5750::48]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 41be03b00d2f7-7a3f2b8546bsm3501091a12.49.2024.07.24.08.19.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:19:13 -0700 From: Noah Misch To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Peter Eisentraut , Jeremy Schneider Cc: Tom Lane , Robert Haas , Daniel Verite , Jeff Davis Subject: Re: Built-in CTYPE provider Message-ID: <20240724151913.5d.nmisch@google.com> References: <20240704212641.c4.nmisch@google.com> <1d178eb1bbd61da1bcfe4a11d6545e9cdcede1d1.camel@j-davis.com> <20240706195129.fd@rfd.leadboat.com> <564325.1720297161@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20240709010545.8c.nmisch@google.com> <39a30bd36198b44ed40da271ef96a72d133c32ba.camel@j-davis.com> <20240711125040.11.nmisch@google.com> <1908b19c0a3a210935608635cad1b4eeb819c66f.camel@j-davis.com> <20240717220326.df.nmisch@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20240717220326.df.nmisch@google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.12 (2023-09-09) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 03:03:26PM -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 08:48:46AM -0700, Jeff Davis wrote: > > On Thu, 2024-07-11 at 05:50 -0700, Noah Misch wrote: > > > > This is still marked as an open item for 17, but you've already > > > > acknowledged[1] that no code changes are necessary in version 17. > > > > > > Later posts on the thread made that obsolete.  The next step is to > > > settle the > > > question at https://postgr.es/m/20240706195129.fd@rfd.leadboat.com.  > > > If that > > > conclusion entails a remedy, v17 code changes may be part of that > > > remedy. > > > > This is the first time you've mentioned a code change in version 17. If > > That's right. > > > you have something in mind, please propose it. However, this feature > > followed the right policies at the time of commit, so there would need > > to be a strong consensus to accept such a change. > > If I'm counting the votes right, you and Tom have voted that the feature's > current state is okay, and I and Laurenz have voted that it's not okay. I > still hope more people will vote, to avoid dealing with the tie. Daniel, > Peter, and Jeremy, you're all listed as reviewers on commit f69319f. Are you > willing to vote one way or the other on the question in > https://postgr.es/m/20240706195129.fd@rfd.leadboat.com? The last vote arrived 6 days ago. So far, we have votes from Jeff, Noah, Tom, Daniel, and Laurenz. I'll keep the voting open for another 24 hours from now or 36 hours after the last vote, whichever comes last. If that schedule is too compressed for anyone, do share.