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Will Postgres regularly incur negative lookups, or >> will these only happen due to user activity? > It varies depending on the particular syscache, but in at least some > of them, negative cache entries are critical for performance. > See for example RelnameGetRelid(), which basically does a RELNAMENSP > cache lookup for each schema down the search path until it finds a > match. Ahh, I hadn't considered that. So one idea would be to only track negative entries on caches where we know they're actually useful. That might make the performance hit of some of the other ideas more tolerable. Presumably you're much less likely to pollute the namespace cache than some of the others. -- Jim Nasby, Data Architect, Blue Treble Consulting, Austin TX Experts in Analytics, Data Architecture and PostgreSQL Data in Trouble? 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