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* Mail loop at a2000.nl (was Re: [HACKERS] PATCH for pgconnection.h)
@ 1999-07-26 13:45  Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 1999-07-26 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; +Cc: scrappy@hub.org, postgres <hackers@postgreSQL.org>

Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> Looks like someone's mailer reinjected this one.

Yes, along with five others that were also about two weeks old.
I recall having noticed several other such incidents in the recent
past, all bearing headers that indicate the retransmitted messages
originally went from the mail list to one <Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl>.

Start of reinjection of this one (note date):

Received: from hardy-1.a2000.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by hardy-1.a2000.nl
          (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6)  with SMTP id AAA5185;
          Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:34:05 +0200

Immediately prior Received: lines:

Received: from smtp1.a2000.nl ([192.168.17.19]) by hardy-1.a2000.nl
          (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6)  with ESMTP id AAT19D0
          for <Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:48:41 +0200
Received: from hub.org ([209.167.229.1])
	by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4)
	id 112SYe-0002lN-00
	for Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:46:44 +0200
Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.167.229.1])
	by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA39425;
	Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
	(envelope-from owner-pgsql-hackers@hub.org)

This morning I sent a polite note to postmaster@cable.a2000.nl, warning
them that they've got a problem with mail looping.  It promptly bounced
back with

  postmaster@cable.a2000.nl:
    SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:
    <postmaster@cable.a2000.nl>:
    host hardy-1.a2000.nl [192.168.17.13]:
    550 Invalid recipient <postmaster@cable.a2000.nl>

(Sending to postmaster@a2000.nl instead probably won't help, since it
MX's to the same machines.)

I conclude that a2000.nl is run by a bunch of idiots who can't read
RFCs, let alone operate a mail server competently.  I expect that
we will continue to get blessed with regurgitated messages until Marc
pulls any a2000.nl addresses from the mailing lists :-(

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: Mail loop at a2000.nl (was Re: [HACKERS] PATCH for pgconnection.h)
@ 1999-07-26 15:03  Jan Wieck <wieck@debis.com>
  parent: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: wieck@debis.com @ 1999-07-26 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us; +Cc: vev@michvhf.com; scrappy@hub.org; hackers@postgresql.org

Tom Lane wrote:

> Received: from hardy-1.a2000.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by hardy-1.a2000.nl
>           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6)  with SMTP id AAA5185;
>           Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:34:05 +0200
>
> Immediately prior Received: lines:
>
> Received: from smtp1.a2000.nl ([192.168.17.19]) by hardy-1.a2000.nl
>           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6)  with ESMTP id AAT19D0
>           for <Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:48:41 +0200

    And look at the dates!

>
> This morning I sent a polite note to postmaster@cable.a2000.nl, warning
> them that they've got a problem with mail looping.  It promptly bounced
> back with
>
>   postmaster@cable.a2000.nl:
>     SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:
>     <postmaster@cable.a2000.nl>:
>     host hardy-1.a2000.nl [192.168.17.13]:
>     550 Invalid recipient <postmaster@cable.a2000.nl>

    I've  also  tried  to  send  to  postmaster@hardy-1.a2000.nl.
    Result: unknown host :-)

    But the CC to Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl didn't bounce. Maybe
    he'll  receive  it  and  can  forward  it  in HARDCOPY to his
    pEstmaster.

>
> (Sending to postmaster@a2000.nl instead probably won't help, since it
> MX's to the same machines.)
>
> I conclude that a2000.nl is run by a bunch of idiots who can't read
> RFCs, let alone operate a mail server competently.  I expect that
> we will continue to get blessed with regurgitated messages until Marc
> pulls any a2000.nl addresses from the mailing lists :-(

    NC


Jan

--

#======================================================================#
# It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. #
# Let's break this rule - forgive me.                                  #
#========================================= wieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #





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* Re: Mail loop at a2000.nl (was Re: [HACKERS] PATCH for pgconnection.h)
@ 1999-07-26 16:53  The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
  parent: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: The Hermit Hacker @ 1999-07-26 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; postgres <hackers@postgreSQL.org>


going...going...gone...

On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Tom Lane wrote:

> Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> > Looks like someone's mailer reinjected this one.
> 
> Yes, along with five others that were also about two weeks old.
> I recall having noticed several other such incidents in the recent
> past, all bearing headers that indicate the retransmitted messages
> originally went from the mail list to one <Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl>.
> 
> Start of reinjection of this one (note date):
> 
> Received: from hardy-1.a2000.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by hardy-1.a2000.nl
>           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6)  with SMTP id AAA5185;
>           Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:34:05 +0200
> 
> Immediately prior Received: lines:
> 
> Received: from smtp1.a2000.nl ([192.168.17.19]) by hardy-1.a2000.nl
>           (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6)  with ESMTP id AAT19D0
>           for <Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:48:41 +0200
> Received: from hub.org ([209.167.229.1])
> 	by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4)
> 	id 112SYe-0002lN-00
> 	for Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:46:44 +0200
> Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.167.229.1])
> 	by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA39425;
> 	Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
> 	(envelope-from owner-pgsql-hackers@hub.org)
> 
> This morning I sent a polite note to postmaster@cable.a2000.nl, warning
> them that they've got a problem with mail looping.  It promptly bounced
> back with
> 
>   postmaster@cable.a2000.nl:
>     SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:
>     <postmaster@cable.a2000.nl>:
>     host hardy-1.a2000.nl [192.168.17.13]:
>     550 Invalid recipient <postmaster@cable.a2000.nl>
> 
> (Sending to postmaster@a2000.nl instead probably won't help, since it
> MX's to the same machines.)
> 
> I conclude that a2000.nl is run by a bunch of idiots who can't read
> RFCs, let alone operate a mail server competently.  I expect that
> we will continue to get blessed with regurgitated messages until Marc
> pulls any a2000.nl addresses from the mailing lists :-(
> 
> 			regards, tom lane
> 

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 




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* Re: Mail loop at a2000.nl (was Re: [HACKERS] PATCH for pgconnection.h)
@ 1999-07-27 12:42  Maarten Boekhold <boekhold@tibco.com>
  parent: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Maarten Boekhold @ 1999-07-27 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; scrappy@hub.org, postgres <hackers@postgreSQL.org>


> I conclude that a2000.nl is run by a bunch of idiots who can't read
> RFCs, let alone operate a mail server competently.  I expect that
> we will continue to get blessed with regurgitated messages until Marc
> pulls any a2000.nl addresses from the mailing lists :-(

Could be that they're idiots, if so I hope they can find some competent people
to help them out there. They're the TV cable operators for Amsterdam and surroundings
and have probably about half a million houses connected to their network.
Since about a year and a half (I guess) they're into internet over cable modems, and
actually the bandwidth they deliver is pretty impressive (especially if you're
used to 28k8 modems ;)

Maarten

-- 

Maarten Boekhold, boekhold@tibco.com
TIBCO Finance Technology Inc.
The Atrium
Strawinskylaan 3051
1077 ZX Amsterdam, The Netherlands
tel: +31 20 3012158, fax: +31 20 3012358
http://www.tibco.com



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* Re: Mail loop at a2000.nl (was Re: [HACKERS] PATCH for pgconnection.h)
@ 1999-08-01 00:08  gravity <z.nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl>
  parent: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: gravity @ 1999-08-01 00:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: jwieck@debis.com; tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us; +Cc: vev@michvhf.com; scrappy@hub.org; hackers@postgresql.org

At 17:03 26-7-99 +0200, Jan Wieck wrote:
>    And look at the dates!
>> This morning I sent a polite note to postmaster@cable.a2000.nl, warning
>> them that they've got a problem with mail looping.  It promptly bounced
>> back with
>    But the CC to Z.Nijmeyers@cable.a2000.nl didn't bounce. Maybe
>    he'll  receive  it  and  can  forward  it  in HARDCOPY to his
>    pEstmaster.

I'm really sorry that my ISP is doing wonderful :-) things to it's
mail-servers 

>> I conclude that a2000.nl is run by a bunch of idiots who can't read
>> RFCs, let alone operate a mail server competently.  I expect that

they are a bunch of idiots and complaining doesn't help a bit, in the past
couple of weeks everyone in amsterdam who has cable internet, has had
extreme trouble with email.

>> we will continue to get blessed with regurgitated messages until Marc
>> pulls any a2000.nl addresses from the mailing lists :-(

If the problem persists with a2000 messages looping back please let me know
and I will unsubscribe from the list and resubscribe using another email
address





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1999-07-26 13:45 Mail loop at a2000.nl (was Re: [HACKERS] PATCH for pgconnection.h) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
1999-07-26 15:03 ` Jan Wieck <wieck@debis.com>
1999-07-26 16:53 ` The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
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